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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm sorry, in what case was it a mining company? As for filing cases against churches...are you saying they shouldn't? In Seattle they filed a case where a woman was sexually harassed at an Episcopal Church. Are you saying they should of tried that case? As far as not giving employers enough time to work out a deal, they first try to settle the claim and if they can't they take it to court.
    High Court Case Could Foil Government Suits Over Job Bias - ABC News

    they can try and file against churches depending on the case but more than likely it will lose. the court has ruled in the past on this and very clear on it. they give a lot of leeway to church hiring and firing practices.

    please see the article above.

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    in this case they do. if the person does live by the churches code of conduct or doctrine they can be fire.
    please see my previous post on these cases.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    She wasn't fired for being pregnant, she was fired for not setting a wedding date on the timeline that the church asked for. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!
    I hope you're joking....
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    High Court Case Could Foil Government Suits Over Job Bias - ABC News

    they can try and file against churches depending on the case but more than likely it will lose. the court has ruled in the past on this and very clear on it. they give a lot of leeway to church hiring and firing practices.
    That's fine, their job though is to protect employees from discrimination, not to decide law when it comes to religion vs employee rights. That's what the courts are here to decide.

    To the church there is no difference.
    The church doesn't decide what a ministerial job is.


    in this case they do. if the person does live by the churches code of conduct or doctrine they can be fire.
    please see my previous post on these cases.
    Tabor vs EEOC is the case I've been referencing throughout. The case makes a distinction between ministerial and non ministerial positions.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I hope you're joking....
    Kellam said she was told to at least announce a wedding day this week – but was canned on Monday.
    That whole truth thing just gets SO inconvenient at times like this....
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That whole truth thing just gets SO inconvenient at times like this....
    So her pregnancy has nothing to do with the firing? They just arbitrarily tell employees when they should get married to their boyfriend/girlfriend?
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The church doesn't decide what a ministerial job is.
    Really? That seems like exactly the type of decision that the church should make.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So her pregnancy has nothing to do with the firing? They just arbitrarily tell employees when they should get married to their boyfriend/girlfriend?
    And it seems they don't care if she lies about actually setting a date, as long as the fictional date is given to them. I somehow was under the impression to bear false witness is a huge sin, after all there is a commandment about it, but as long as you are lying to cover up a sin it's cool.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or may not be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so placed their First Amendment rights in danger), and the case was dropped.
    No legal action should be taken, churches should have this sort of leeway

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or may not be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so placed their First Amendment rights in danger), and the case was dropped.
    Didn't they actually rule on that case for the woman who was employed at the Catholic School? If this is the case - then I don't see what's wrong [legally speaking] with what they did, here.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
    Asking people they hire to uphold a moral code and behavior then holding them accountable when they do not! THOSE HEARTLESS BASTARDS!
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