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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Should she have gotten an abortion to save her job?
    Would that have been in keeping with her employment? No. Not in spirit and probably not in letter either. Silly try.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your characterization of reality is a bit skewed. She wasn't just thrown out one day. She KNEW the rules, before she got pregnant. She KNEW a decision to go it alone and not get married would result in losing her job. This was a situation entirely of her own making.
    She knew that being an unwed mother was 'against the rules?' Many churches disapprove of this but unless it was in their employment guidelines, how would someone know they'd be fired for that...but not some other sin?

    I mean...how do they know which 'sins' are fireable offenses? Perhaps there are guidelines for employees but if so, I'd like to know that.

    Edit: Sorry, just read about the 'handbook' with rules.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
    yeah, it's kinda odd to me too sometimes. .. I understand the church not liking the idea of unwed mothers and such, but damn...do ya gotta fire a lady over it?.. i would think not.

    if she was supposed to be doing " ministerial" work, wouldn't a "ministerial" approach be more apt to the situation?....I mean, Jesus seems to be pretty cool about sinners who repent.
    (6:37, “He That Cometh To Me I Will In No Wise Cast Out.” )
    I don't think her "sin " is going to provide any sort of example to her "flock".. as her flock is far more interested in ****ting their diapers or playing with their legos.

    meh, the courts, if they accept such a case, can't get into determining meaning and value of scripture.. so that really doesn't matter much, legally speaking.

    anyways.. it's seem rather distasteful to me... provided the reasons for the termination are true.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your characterization of reality is a bit skewed. She wasn't just thrown out one day. She KNEW the rules, before she got pregnant. She KNEW a decision to go it alone and not get married would result in losing her job. This was a situation entirely of her own making.
    just want to point out that isnt accurate yet, just currently 100% speculation

    theres not facts that say she KNEW anything yet.

    Church claims theres a handbook with a signature, she claims otherwise.
    Also for some more accuracy she wasnt going at it alone or not getting married. She has a fiance and they are planing the wedding, the church claims it simply wast in thier wanted time frame.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Would that have been in keeping with her employment? No. Not in spirit and probably not in letter either. Silly try.
    That doesnt answer the question. Would the employer even know? She could even say she 'lost' the baby.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your characterization of reality is a bit skewed. She wasn't just thrown out one day. She KNEW the rules, before she got pregnant. She KNEW a decision to go it alone and not get married would result in losing her job. This was a situation entirely of her own making.
    Yup, and one where these Christians could have shown some love and forgiveness, but didn't. Instead to y threw her and her unborn kid onto the street. That was their choice. I didn't say they couldn't, its just interesting how cold and cruel some Christians can be.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That doesnt answer the question. Would the employer even know? She could even say she 'lost' the baby.
    Yes it does. Your suggestion is that she lie and hopes it's never uncovered. Once again, not in keeping with either the letter or the spirit of the employment.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup, and one where these Christians could have shown some love and forgiveness, but didn't. Instead to y threw her and her unborn kid onto the street. That was their choice. I didn't say they couldn't, its just interesting how cold and cruel some Christians can be.
    Bull****. They didn't throw her in the street as you say. They may have indeed shown her love and forgiveness. Neither of which equates out to keeping her job.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
    Not having unwed mother to be working for the church makes the institution "look" better.

    Firing an unwed mother to be ---- making it difficult to support herself and family....IMHO clearly against what Jesus would want.

    Do they have a right? Probably.

    Just makes them look like folks that are more about judgment and less about Jesus.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Bull****. They didn't throw her in the street as you say. They may have indeed shown her love and forgiveness. Neither of which equates out to keeping her job.
    You can try to create some kind of libertarian narrative out of this if you want, but really this incident is a pretty glaring character study of Christians. The church may have been allowed to throw a pregnant mother out on the street, and we're allowed to look on and say, "Wow, that **** is cold."

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