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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bingo. You look at the bulletin of my home church under "Ministers" and it reads "All Confirmed Members".
    that isn't to say that church isn't being stupid, however they are free to do this without legal implications.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Forgiveness =/= Retaining Someone Who Will Be Shaping Your Children.
    Yep. Lots of caveats on forgiveness in that bible.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I read the whole thing. they screwed up the diocese should appeal the jury verdict to the SCOTUS and they will win.
    they have already ruled on several of these cases I showed earlier. they have all been thrown out and the church wins. it just hasn't gotten that far yet.
    I think SCOTUS would side with the teacher in this case particularly since there was no evidence that the Diocese regarded Mrs. Herx's position at the school as ministerial prior to the lawsuit and overwhelming evidence that it did not. This case exemplifies the abuse of the ministerial exception by religious employers.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yep. Lots of caveats on forgiveness in that bible.
    Well, there are two: 1. You have to repent and 2. there is one sin ("blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" - whatever that means. I have yet to see a fully satisfactory breakdown) that will not be forgiven, though, presumably, had you committed it, you wouldn't be fulfilling caveat #1, either.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I think SCOTUS would side with the teacher in this case particularly since there was no evidence that the Diocese regarded Mrs. Herx's position at the school as ministerial prior to the lawsuit and overwhelming evidence that it did not. This case exemplifies the abuse of the ministerial exception by religious employers.
    a Mormon church fired a janitor for not being part of the Mormon church. he sued and he lost.
    in order to work for any church you have to sign a statement that you will abide by the church doctrine.

    in this case she got pregnant outside of marriage, and she failed to get married in a timely fashion if she was going to.
    she teaches pre-school or daycare.

    when the judicial system starts telling church who they can and can't hire and fire they start to violate the 1st amendment.
    she violated the church's morality clause more than likely. she can be terminated.

    there is already precedent set on this. if the judges follow the past the church wins.

    in Mrs. Herx case it was thrown out over a disability. also the judge screwed up. she violated an firm belief of the church she was teaching for.
    almost all catholic schools have some sort of religious note on them. and teachers sign agreements that they will uphold the tenants of the church in most cases.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Forgiveness =/= Retaining Someone Who Will Be Shaping Your Children.
    This will serve as an example to these children of how compassionate the church is toward the unfortunate among us. They will learn that good Christians often say one thing and do another.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    This will serve as an example to these children of how compassionate the church is toward the unfortunate among us. They will learn that good Christians often say one thing and do another.
    That is detached from reality. "Compassion" =/= "Forgiveness" which also =/= "allowing to represent the church or remain in a position of influence over children". The Bible teaches us to act as the Church seems to have done.

    You people are confusing loving someone with enabling them.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yep. Lots of caveats on forgiveness in that bible.
    There are. Forgiveness doesn't imply you can keep on with the behavior you're asking forgiveness for.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is detached from reality. "Compassion" =/= "Forgiveness" which also =/= "allowing to represent the church or remain in a position of influence over children". The Bible teaches us to act as the Church seems to have done.

    You people are confusing loving someone with enabling them.
    I was a member of the church for decades. I can do without any BS from message board preachers. Some of the most right-wing nutjobs I have encountered is in the church. Like I said, they preach one thing and do another.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I was a member of the church for decades. I can do without any BS from message board preachers. Some of the most right-wing nutjobs I have encountered is in the church. Like I said, they preach one thing and do another.
    You'll meet left wing nutjobs in churches too, though fewer. I fail to see how anything you posted is a response?

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