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    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Look, I could understand the pastor refusing to do the funeral when they first approached him. But if he has this kind of bias, he should do the homework up front to find out if the dead person is gay or not.

    Once the funeral is underway - there is no way he should have stopped and demanded that that pictures be removed. That is a gross dereliction of his pastoral duties in my opinion.

    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post

    LAKEWOOD Hundreds of Vanessa Collier's friends and family gathered Saturday at New Hope Ministries, sitting before an open casket that held the woman they loved, when suddenly the minister overseeing her funeral stopped the service.

    The memorial could not continue, Pastor Ray Chavez said, as long as pictures of Collier with the love of her life, the spouse she shared two children with, were to be displayed.

    Chavez said there could be no images of Collier with her wife, Christina. There could be no indication that Collier was gay.

    Outraged, those who loved Collier, 33, picked up programs, flowers and eventually the dead woman's casket itself, moving the service to a mortuary that thankfully, they say happened to be across the street.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Look, I could understand the pastor refusing to do the funeral when they first approached him. But if he has this kind of bias, he should do the homework up front to find out if the dead person is gay or not.

    Once the funeral is underway - there is no way he should have stopped and demanded that that pictures be removed. That is a gross dereliction of his pastoral duties in my opinion.

    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    To the church's defense, this was a RELIGIOUS ceremony. That's a fine line you're walking. Do I disagree with what they did? Yes. But remember, it's their religious ceremony.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Pastor was wrong and not a very good example.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    How hateful and harmful to her friends and family.

    I guess the pastor forgot that only God may judge.....
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Look, I could understand the pastor refusing to do the funeral when they first approached him. But if he has this kind of bias, he should do the homework up front to find out if the dead person is gay or not.

    Once the funeral is underway - there is no way he should have stopped and demanded that that pictures be removed. That is a gross dereliction of his pastoral duties in my opinion.

    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    They can do as they like, but I agree that they should have figured this out ahead of time.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can do as they like, but I agree that they should have figured this out ahead of time.
    I agree. The church appears to be an inner city ministry. I am suprised that they did not have a standard policy in place for funerals.

    For example, I knew a Pastor who while permitting out law bikers to be given burial services at his church, also told them in advance what activities of the deceased could, and could not be actively displayed at the church. The full "biker" funeral with biker oriented eulogies, libations etc would need to occur at the grave site.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can do as they like, but I agree that they should have figured this out ahead of time.
    Exactly. What he did at the last minute - after the last minute? - was needlessly harmful.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Doesn't sound as if he left it to the last minute. They gave him a video including the couple kissing a week before the funeral. The article intimates they were told certain things couldn't be displayed at the funeral. Looks like they decided to include the material anyway and the pastor refused to proceed with the funeral. Probably thought there's no way he would refuse at that point.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    The story sounds very incomplete. It would be interesting to know when this conversation occurred "Certain events were not going to be allowed to take place according to the church," Campanella said. "In talking with family we decided it would be best to have the services here."

    The church didnt prevent the ceremony from continuing...the family and friends decided to move it. The church allowed the ceremony to be conducted but with the guidance photos of the deceased should not be allowed that showed her living the lifestyle that is in opposition to their faith.

    The article mentions the Church offers 'hope' to drug addicts. I think thats noble. Now...if a family decided they wanted to place pictures at the ceremony of an individual shooting up because thats what the individual loved, that would be disallowed. And no...the two obviously arent the same but without question, the concept is the same. The church does not condone homosexuality. It does not condone what it believes to be sinful behavior. I can only assume that the church is going on the FULL doctrine presented by Christ.

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    8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
    9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
    10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
    11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    If you dont believe it to be a sin (and there is no reason you SHOULD) then you probably shouldnt attempt to celebrate a behavior and life lived in accordance to what the church holds as sinful in the building and church where that belief is held.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How hateful and harmful to her friends and family.

    I guess the pastor forgot that only God may judge.....
    Perhaps the Pastor remembered that God has in fact judged the behavior to be sinful.

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