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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No that is not what I am stating at all. Go back and re-read my post. The minister does not recognize same sex relationships and refused to have one highlighted in his sanctuary. Those who hired him to perform the Christian funeral refused to honor the pastors requests. So the funeral was moved across the street to the funeral home.
    After it was begun. Again showing a wantonness because he (the pastor) does not like the gay lifestyle. Whether or not the family agreed to limiting certain aspects of her lifestyle or not is beside the point. The "pastor" should have known that pictures celebrating her life were going to include pictures with her chosen mate. If he did not want them displayed in his church he should not have agreed to the funeral in the first place. By allowing it to start and then trying to stop it after it began because of a few pictures that show her with her mate is again wantonness. I am not saying he didn't have the right to do it. I am saying everyone should decry him as the cruel bastard he has shown himself to be.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Being a ****head is legal, but still ****ty.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nope. If the pastor feels that it's his place to condemn and exile gays, or if the head of that other church feels it's his place to fire a pregnant woman for not being married in a timely manner, then I believe they should demonstrate this clearly and publicly so we can all observe and make educated decisions before choosing a religious-based political system. We deserve to know what sort of society we'd be living under in a theocracy.
    To remove a pregnant woman who is not married or any other member holding a position in the church to be found involved in what the church calls sinful behavior is removed. This is common practice. A secretary caught stealing from the church funds to the pastor embroiled in a marital affair. These things happen because people are not inherently good. They can be excommunicated upon the severity, yet forgiven while being removed from their position. There is Scripture to back that practice up.
    There's churches out there that have no problem with same sex relationships. The family and friends of the deceased did not pursue one. Instead chose one who does not accept it and refused to adhere to their wishes/beliefs. Yet you categorize it as "condemning and exiling gays". What you want is for others who find something to be sinful to compromise their beliefs to match yours.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Some Rabbis conferred on this issue and decided that if man was made in the image of God... He also made gay people. The pastor is an unforgiving creep.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    To remove a pregnant woman who is not married or any other member holding a position in the church to be found involved in what the church calls sinful behavior is removed. This is common practice. A secretary caught stealing from the church funds to the pastor embroiled in a marital affair. These things happen because people are not inherently good. They can be excommunicated upon the severity, yet forgiven while being removed from their position. There is Scripture to back that practice up.
    There's churches out there that have no problem with same sex relationships. The family and friends of the deceased did not pursue one. Instead chose one who does not accept it and refused to adhere to their wishes/beliefs. Yet you categorize it as "condemning and exiling gays". What you want is for others who find something to be sinful to compromise their beliefs to match yours.
    You are extremely confused about my position, so I'll try again: I'm not advocating that religious fundamentalists with warped views of love and compassion share my morality, because I'm fully cognizant such a thing is impossible. No, I'll settle for religious fundamentalists being extremely upfront and honest about their worldview so we can all be reminded why secular societies are superior to theocracies. It's also why I'm always happy any time a pro-lifer publicly states that a woman should have the rapist's baby.

    If you're still confused I'd be happy to bulletpoint my beliefs using shorter sentences.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooda View Post
    I think it is sick and cruel and stupid... The pastor should be ashamed and his congregation should be outraged.
    Ever notice...its ALWAYS the ones trying to get something over and that get caught that feel the OTHER GUY should be ashamed. Its always the ones most consumed with hatred and intolerance that shriek and clamor the loudest for others to be tolerant. Funny how that works...

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

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    After it was begun. Again showing a wantonness because he (the pastor) does not like the gay lifestyle. Whether or not the family agreed to limiting certain aspects of her lifestyle or not is beside the point. The "pastor" should have known that pictures celebrating her life were going to include pictures with her chosen mate. If he did not want them displayed in his church he should not have agreed to the funeral in the first place. By allowing it to start and then trying to stop it after it began because of a few pictures that show her with her mate is again wantonness. I am not saying he didn't have the right to do it. I am saying everyone should decry him as the cruel bastard he has shown himself to be.
    The pastor sees the gay lifestyle as a sin against his God. What part of that can't you grasp?
    He made it known to the deceased's family that he could not celebrate that part of her life.
    They refused to abide by his wishes and did so anyway which shows no respect for the one they want to perform a Christian funeral.
    But then again this group had to resort to the Internet to find a pastor because between the two families and hundreds of friends they couldn't come up with the name of a pastor on their own. Go figure.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You are extremely confused about my position, so I'll try again: I'm not advocating that religious fundamentalists with warped views of love and compassion share my morality, because I'm fully cognizant such a thing is impossible. No, I'll settle for religious fundamentalists being extremely upfront and honest about their worldview so we can all be reminded why secular societies are superior to theocracies. It's also why I'm always happy any time a pro-lifer publicly states that a woman should have the rapist's baby.

    If you're still confused I'd be happy to bulletpoint my beliefs using shorter sentences.
    You by your very post shows your bias and unwillingness to be objective.
    It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who is so bias.
    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ever notice...its ALWAYS the ones trying to get something over and that get caught that feel the OTHER GUY should be ashamed. Its always the ones most consumed with hatred and intolerance that shriek and clamor the loudest for others to be tolerant. Funny how that works...

    Church is for sinners.. not for the perfectly righteous.

    The family made a mistake.. This pastor is a creep.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooda View Post
    Church is for sinners.. not for the perfectly righteous.

    The family made a mistake.. This pastor is a creep.
    Definitely could have been handled better. No doubt. Your outrage though is rather...judgmental.

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