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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The timeline is rather critical, as you are quick to call others liars.
    Whether they were told to edit the video 15 minutes before the event or 15 minutes after the event is not significant because it was already too late to have time to edit the video.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Whether they were told to edit the video 15 minutes before the event or 15 minutes after the event is not significant because it was already too late to have time to edit the video.
    You can edit a video in 2 minutes. OR...you can choose not to and relocate your ceremony. They choose the latter. Good for them.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Whether they were told to edit the video 15 minutes before the event or 15 minutes after the event is not significant because it was already too late to have time to edit the video.
    Bs!
    Your experience in editing means nothing.
    They chose not to edit.

    As previously provided.
    Like her gay friend said. They wouldn't let the Chapel edit it.

    Higley wrote on Facebook: "Vanessa's services were NOT refused because she is a 'lesbian'. Her services were refused because we would not let New Hope Ministries 'edit' her life which was a slideshow of our family photos including our engagement and family photos of her and I with our two children! It never crossed my mind that it would be an issue considering we paid to use their facility ONLY. We brought in our own Pastor to facilitate. I would completely understand if we were asking to be married there and it be a conflict of interest.

    Outrage as pastor halts funeral for gay woman | Christian News on Christian Today
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It doesn't make any sense does it Declan that a church who does not recognize same sex unions would be the choice of the family except of course only to use the building to accommodate the number of people attending the funeral out of convenience to them.

    If they had someone else chosen to officiate the funeral, then that individual would have been made known well in advance what the church would and would not tolerate. If the church is not going to recognize such things among its own congregation, who in their right mind would expect it to be acceptable for someone else?

    I did a little research on this church. It has had some really good success in reaching out to people that society has given up on. Whether drug addicts, prostitutes, convicts or anyone else society is willing to throw away. They show the love of Christ to them, accept them as they are and have changed lives for the better. I think it was compassion that the church agreed to the funeral at their church but like in all things they recognize as sin, they will not allow that to be celebrated inside their church walls. The sinner is welcome without his deeds celebrated. That goes for all believers in just about any congregation. For a believer knows that God loved them first in all their sin and in that same love reach out to others showing that same type of love. Just a thought.
    There are lots of things in this story that cause me to question the victim narrative being pushed. Every single funeral home in my city except one has a chapel you can have a service at and most people opt for that rather than carrying the body around. The one that doesn't really is a specialty place that does indigent or quickie/cheap burial arrangements for people on a budget---sort of the jiffy lube of burials. Churches for the most part in my area won't even let you use their facilities for a funeral or wedding unless you are/were a member or a relative of a member who sponsors your use of the facility. Part of this is just the cost associated with the extra cleanings and energy uses to get the building to acceptable temperatures on days when they normally reduce heat/ac.

    Anyway, in the end, I just believe that these were people looking to make a statement. Perhaps that is the type of person the deceased was so they see it as fitting. IDK. I certainly do not see clean hands on the estate's side based on any facts I have seen reported. Like I indicated before, something here is not being said because their story has changed and still doesn't comport with how these things usually play out when it comes to funeral arrangements.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Look, I could understand the pastor refusing to do the funeral when they first approached him. But if he has this kind of bias, he should do the homework up front to find out if the dead person is gay or not.

    Once the funeral is underway - there is no way he should have stopped and demanded that that pictures be removed. That is a gross dereliction of his pastoral duties in my opinion.

    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    Unless her girlfriend was going to scissor the corpse, I don't see what the problem was.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Look, I could understand the pastor refusing to do the funeral when they first approached him. But if he has this kind of bias, he should do the homework up front to find out if the dead person is gay or not.

    Once the funeral is underway - there is no way he should have stopped and demanded that that pictures be removed. That is a gross dereliction of his pastoral duties in my opinion.

    Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    I don't know about "gross dereliction" but I agree...The pastor shouldn't have agreed to do the service if he didn't review the materiel before starting. At the point that he found something objectionable, he should have just sucked it up and finished the service he agreed to do...
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You can edit a video in 2 minutes. OR...you can choose not to and relocate your ceremony. They choose the latter. Good for them.
    As I said previously, I have edited video professionally and, depending on the specific situation, it can easily take 1.5 hours to make an edit and burn a new DVD. That does not include the travel time to the edit facility.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Bs!
    Your experience in editing means nothing.
    They chose not to edit.

    As previously provided.
    Like her gay friend said. They wouldn't let the Chapel edit it.

    Higley wrote on Facebook: "Vanessa's services were NOT refused because she is a 'lesbian'. Her services were refused because we would not let New Hope Ministries 'edit' her life which was a slideshow of our family photos including our engagement and family photos of her and I with our two children! It never crossed my mind that it would be an issue considering we paid to use their facility ONLY. We brought in our own Pastor to facilitate. I would completely understand if we were asking to be married there and it be a conflict of interest.

    Outrage as pastor halts funeral for gay woman | Christian News on Christian Today
    That doesn't mean that the church offered to do the editing.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That doesn't mean that the church offered to do the editing.
    iLOL
    Just like all the other crap you provided doesn't say they were not informed in advance of the required standards, which a required review suggests that they knew. Or are you trying to absurdly argue that they didn't know what the video was being reviewed for.



    And as that is supposedly from the other gay party's mouth, it totally destroys the title of this thread.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    iLOL
    Just like all the other crap you provided doesn't say they were not informed in advance of the required standards, which a required review suggests that they knew. Or are you trying to absurdly argue that they didn't know what the video was being reviewed for.



    And as that is supposedly from the other gay party's mouth, it totally destroys the title of this thread.
    The church had the video in advance - at least a day, possibly a week. The time to ask for editing was not 15 min before or after the ceremony started. I don't give a crap WHAT the church's standards were - if they cared, they would have given adequate notice.

    Most of us would not consider pictures of us with our spouse out of line at a funeral.

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