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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Fair point. IMO gays should not belong to anti-gay churches. Frankly I think gays bring some of this down on themselves. You don't see blacks applying to the KKK.
    The family only rented the space and provided their own pastor. They did not know about the church's anti-gay taboo until fifteen minutes after the scheduled start of the event.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Where did people dive into it? Where is the link to proof of that?
    Proving you want others to9 do your reading for you. Read the entire thread.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Theres a lot of misinformation and differing positions offered. The CNN and USA today articles say the video was given a day in advance but was misplaced. The replacement video was brought over prior to the ceremony. They also state the video was viewed before the ceremony and the family was given ample time to remove 2 pictures. They refused.

    Out of curiosity...had the pastor seen it a day in advance (or a week in advance) and made the same direction, do you think we would be reading today of protests because the pastor insisted they remove the photos? Just a speculative question...no need to answer if you dont want to.
    The articles I saw said the video was provided a week in advance. They were told to edit the video 15 minutes after the scheduled start time of the event. I have worked as a professional video editor. Removing a segment of a video and burning a new DVD would take approx 1.5 hours to do, not including transportation time to the editing facility.


    "Friends say they gave the church a remembrance video of Collier a week before that contained images of her kissing and embracing her wife. The pastor had every chance to stop the funeral long before it began, they said."
    Family: Church in Lakewood stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 01-15-15 at 01:58 PM.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Pretty sure the church has been burying gays and lesbians since, well, the church began.....
    Ones that kept their mouths shut about it, yes. The one who didn't, no - they got the unconsecreated ground.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    There seems to be indications that the church agreed to host the service- under certain conditions. These conditions apparently included the requirement that the material to be displayed will be screened by the pastor, and that there was no guarantee that the material will be permitted to be displayed.

    Furthermore, the totality of the conditions appeared to be pretty nominal. Nobody demanded that certain passages condeming homosexuality be read at the funeral. Likewise, the conditions did not require that participants affirm church teachings regarding homosexuality. In contrast, most of the material was allowed to be displayed.

    The family then chose not to adhere to those conditions, and then made other arrangements. CNN, of course, hyped the story.
    There is no dispute over the facts except by a few liars posting in this thread.

    The family only rented the space and used their own pastor.
    A week before the event the church's pastor was given a copy of the video that they planned to show.
    He did not look at it. He did not provide the family with any rules related to his anti-gay taboo.
    Fifteen minutes after the scheduled start time the church's pastor voiced his objection to a photo of the deceased with her partner shown in the video and told them to edit out the photo. (which was not possible at the time)
    When they showed the video he halted the event.
    Later, the pastor apologized.



    I have other posts with quotes and links to a few more articles that verify this information. None of the many articles I looked at dispute the facts.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The articles I saw said the video was provided a week in advance. They were told to edit the video 15 minutes after the scheduled start time of the event. I have worked as a professional video editor. Removing a segment of a video and burning a new DVD would take approx 1.5 hours to do, not including transportation time to the editing facility.


    "Friends say they gave the church a remembrance video of Collier a week before that contained images of her kissing and embracing her wife. The pastor had every chance to stop the funeral long before it began, they said."
    Family: Church in Lakewood stops woman's funeral because she was gay - The Denver Post
    'Friends say'. ALWAYS the most reliable sources.

    Regardless...they WERE given a chance to remove the pictures BEFORE the service was to start. They chose not to.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There is no dispute over the facts except by a few liars posting in this thread.

    The family only rented the space and used their own pastor.
    A week before the event the church's pastor was given a copy of the video that they planned to show.
    He did not look at it. He did not provide the family with any rules related to his anti-gay taboo.
    Fifteen minutes after the scheduled start time the church's pastor voiced his objection to a photo of the deceased with her partner shown in the video and told them to edit out the photo. (which was not possible at the time)
    When they showed the video he halted the event.
    Later, the pastor apologized.



    I have other posts with quotes and links to a few more articles that verify this information. None of the many articles I looked at dispute the facts.
    Actually...thats not what was reported. What was reported was that the family came out and announced the ceremony was to be moved due to 'technical difficulties' 15 minutes after it was scheduled to start.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Seems kind of silly, if true. A dead person has no sexuality. And if you are a church and believe in God, then the person being dead is already being judged, so why continue the ignorance here?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Seems kind of silly, if true. A dead person has no sexuality. And if you are a church and believe in God, then the person being dead is already being judged, so why continue the ignorance here?
    Condemn the 'sin' but love the 'sinner'....right?

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually...thats not what was reported. What was reported was that the family came out and announced the ceremony was to be moved due to 'technical difficulties' 15 minutes after it was scheduled to start.
    "...An hour-long viewing of Collier's body had just finished and the memorial service was 15 minutes underway when Chavez stopped it, those in attendance said."

    Friends say they gave the church a remembrance video of Collier a week before that contained images of her kissing and embracing her wife. The pastor had every chance to stop the funeral long before it began, they said..."
    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...-because-woman

    "...The pastor who called off the funeral defended his actions to KCNC, saying he hadn't been aware of the video until right before the service, and that he gave the family the chance to edit it.

    "New Hope did their absolutely very best to accommodate this family in their hour of need,"Chaplain Gary Rolando said.

    He also told KMGH, "We don't want overt, open homosexuality in our sanctuary." But he did offer an apology, saying, "New Hope is very sorry. ... It's very sad that it happened the way that it did."
    Colorado church canceled lesbian woman's funeral, family says | Seattle News, Weather, Traffic, Video and Sports | KIRO 7... | www.kirotv.com

    I have read several articles, none of which indicate that advanced notice (more than 15 minutes) was provided to the family. All such claims are a lie.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 01-15-15 at 02:29 PM.

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