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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Having been raised in a church - I dismissed that notion entirely that the church leaders, after agreeing to host a funeral, has any right to dictate what they do during the service.
    There seems to be indications that the church agreed to host the service- under certain conditions. These conditions apparently included the requirement that the material to be displayed will be screened by the pastor, and that there was no guarantee that the material will be permitted to be displayed.

    Furthermore, the totality of the conditions appeared to be pretty nominal. Nobody demanded that certain passages condeming homosexuality be read at the funeral. Likewise, the conditions did not require that participants affirm church teachings regarding homosexuality. In contrast, most of the material was allowed to be displayed.

    The family then chose not to adhere to those conditions, and then made other arrangements. CNN, of course, hyped the story.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 01-15-15 at 11:51 AM.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Why the **** are you asking ME this stuff???

    I wasn't there, I don't know the details of the arrangement, I had no say in the decision process, and I am not here to validate your belief system.
    Because YOU brought up "homosexual lifestyle" in your post 121
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064197418

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Because YOU brought up "homosexual lifestyle" in your post 121
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064197418
    So what?

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    If there were groundrules it WOULD change my opinion and that is why I am asking people to provide proof.
    "However, the family did not receive any word that they would be turned away until 15 minutes after the memorial service was already scheduled to begin."
    Lakewood Church Refuses to Host Lesbian Funeral - World Religion News

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Why did the family choose to hold this woman's funeral at a church that did not support or agree with this woman's life? If you ask me, it is a slap in the face to someone that is gay or lesbian to hold their funeral at a anti-gay church.

    It is not as though there are not plenty of denominations out there that are tolerant and accepting of gays and lesbians so why not hold the funeral at one of them?

    There is no dispute over the facts except by a few liars posting in this thread.
    • The family only rented the space and used their own pastor.
    • A week before the event the church's pastor was given a copy of the video that they planned to show.
    • He did not look at it. He did not provide the family with any rules related to his anti-gay taboo.
    • Fifteen minutes after the scheduled start time the church's pastor voiced his objection to a photo of the deceased with her partner shown in the video and told them to edit out the photo. (which was not possible at the time)
    • When they showed the video he halted the event.
    • Later, the pastor apologized.


    I have other posts with quotes and links to a few more articles that verify this information. None of the many articles I looked at dispute the facts.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 01-15-15 at 01:57 PM.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I completely agree. I think that was the churches position. Remove a few pictures and the ceremony goes forward. The family refused. Sad.
    It was a video that showed a photo that the pastor objected to fifteen minutes after the event was scheduled to begin. (even though he had the video a week in advance.)

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The funeral was not stopped midway.
    The showing was done at the funeral home and the day of the funeral, the funeral home simply moved the casket and everything else that was in the showing room to the church across the street and set things up. that's normally how it is done. After everything was set up, the family wanted the video of pictures usually provided as a service of the funeral home to be played during the service. The church asked for the video to be edited in order to proceed. The family refused to take the pictures out the church requested. After that the pastor said no. . So everything that was set up at the church was removed and sent back to the funeral home where the service took place. Most funerals are held at the funeral home. But according to the OP the funeral home did not have a big enough room to accommodate the number of people attending the funeral which eventually took place there and the complaints were there was not enough room and many had to stand. But the church across the street did have the seating needed. Unfortunately, they were not willing to abide by the church's requirements.
    The pastor's request to edit the video was given to the family fifteen minutes after the scheduled start of the event.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It was a video that showed a photo that the pastor objected to fifteen minutes after the event was scheduled to begin. (even though he had the video a week in advance.)
    Theres a lot of misinformation and differing positions offered. The CNN and USA today articles say the video was given a day in advance but was misplaced. The replacement video was brought over prior to the ceremony. They also state the video was viewed before the ceremony and the family was given ample time to remove 2 pictures. They refused.

    Out of curiosity...had the pastor seen it a day in advance (or a week in advance) and made the same direction, do you think we would be reading today of protests because the pastor insisted they remove the photos? Just a speculative question...no need to answer if you dont want to.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Having been raised in a church - I dismissed that notion entirely that the church leaders, after agreeing to host a funeral, has any right to dictate what they do during the service.

    My father is paid in donations for the funerals he gives the Eulogies at - and he never would dare stick his nose into the issues that are expressly up to the family to decide. The church's role during a funeral is to provide comfort and emotional support and ensure the funeral services runs fluidly and smoothly. If he feels that any event should not be held on church grounds he will assist any family that comes to him in a time of need with setting up alternative arrangements.

    Because as a minister he's a nice and decent person and is not out to stab stakes into the hearts of people.
    Making it even worse, the family only rented the space and provided their own pastor.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    No, it's not in the link in the OP. If there is another site, then link that site. The link in the OP also says that the pastor has not reimbursed the family after stopping the funeral and kicking them out.
    Once again, quit playing and read the thread and the OP. The info asked for is there. Who cares, the pastor probably shouldn't reimburse them.

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