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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "...The pastor who called off the funeral defended his actions to KCNC, saying he hadn't been aware of the video until right before the service, and that he gave the family the chance to edit it.

    "New Hope did their absolutely very best to accommodate this family in their hour of need,"Chaplain Gary Rolando said.

    He also told KMGH, "We don't want overt, open homosexuality in our sanctuary." But he did offer an apology, saying, "New Hope is very sorry. ... It's very sad that it happened the way that it did."
    Well, there you go then.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    You're assuming a lot about what they family wanted and why, and their motivates.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The funeral home is the place where the showing occurs. Anywhere from one day to two. They are the ones who make up the videos using family photos part of their package deal along with asking the family to provide photos that they can display throughout the showing room. The family of the deceased picks out the casket, the vault, the memorial cards, the visitors book, the type of music to be played during the showing, all provided for a price. The service, Eulogy itself can either be performed at the funeral home or a church. These people wanted the Eulogy at the church. They chose the church that was directly across the street from the funeral home. From the OP it appears they chose the church over the funeral home because of the spacious seating versus what the funeral home could provide. Unfortunately for them, in choosing the church meant abiding by their stipulations.

    I think I know what happened,..... the funeral home was responsible for taking the body across the street to the church from the funeral home. They also took all the flowers and video they produced and family pictures displayed at the funeral home provided by the family into the church and set them up. Instead of the family members having the video and pictures removed that were against the agreement with the church, the pastor refused the service.

    These people were not interested in a Christian burial but wanted to use the church for the service because it could accommodate more people comfortably. And when they got what they wanted, they were unwilling to meet the pastor's terms expecting him to accommodate them even further and it didn't work out in their favor which resulted in the body being removed from the church and back across the street to funeral home where they all complained that it was cramped and many had to stand. Poor babies.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not at all consistent with what you've been posting here, and called on your hatred of religion you decide to go soft because you know it's hate. I know very well how tolerance works, I also know how to recognize tactics and games. We have not been discussing whether this church had the right to refuse blessing until the offending material was removed. We were discussing your kneejerk comments about cruelty and lack of forgiveness.
    Thank you for demonstrating what's at the heart of everything wrong with the article and the ensuing discussion: it's not enough that we tolerate the church's actions, we're expected to like and agree with them as well. It's intolerance at its worst and is ultimately no different than Muslims' belief that the whole world must follow Islam.

    Well, guess what, I don't like the church's action, both in this thread and the other one. I find them repugnant, and if tolerating them isn't enough for you, tough titties. You can call me a hater if you like, but considering the authority behind that insult, I take it as a complement.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    We tend to challenge a person who makes a statement without providing proof.
    And?

    By challenging aren't you now required to provide proof as part of the challenge?

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're assuming a lot about what they family wanted and why, and their motivates.
    You think? Well all I can tell you is I have been through several funeral plannings. I know how it goes. You brought up the video, been there done that along with all the family pictures. And I know that a non member of a congregation that is deceased is not left in the sanctuary of any church only for the brief moments of the Eulogy and then it is off to the cemetery.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    And?

    By challenging aren't you now required to provide proof as part of the challenge?
    I will repost the link that is provided in the OP or the link that has been added recently if you want but it has been posted.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They DO allow sinners in. Thats not the point. The point is they dont allow celebration of the sin. It seems like such a simple compromise. Have the ceremony there, celebrate her life. If you want to celebrate her sexuality as part of her life, have it someplace else. No harm...no foul...and good for everyone.
    Not much difference between celebrating the life of a gay person and celebrating the life of someone on their second marriage (after divorce, which would be to live as an adulterer --- see Matthew 5).... they are pretty similar things in the eyes of God. My guess is this pastor has more of a personal issue with the sin of being gay while giving a complete pass to those living in the adultery or a second (or living together outside of) marriage.

    Yes, all men are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. One does not have to celebrate the sin; but its ok to celebrate the life of the sinner.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I will repost the link that is provided in the OP or the link that has been added recently if you want but it has been posted.
    Knock yourself out.

    There is no doubt more to this story than what has been posted in this thread. The OP was pretty much just an account from the family of the deceased and the other was a paraphrase of his words. If it turns out that the pastor just canned the ceremony in mid-stream because he saw a photo that offended him then that would certainly change my opinion.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Why did the family choose to hold this woman's funeral at a church that did not support or agree with this woman's life? If you ask me, it is a slap in the face to someone that is gay or lesbian to hold their funeral at a anti-gay church.

    It is not as though there are not plenty of denominations out there that are tolerant and accepting of gays and lesbians so why not hold the funeral at one of them?
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hidious? I wouldn't use that word Nota. No one in this country should be forced to go against their moral conscience regardless. If they couldn't abide by the pastor's request to use his church, what choice did they give him? They had no respect whatsoever for the pastor and defied his wishes. Luckily for them the funeral home was just across the street.
    I agree: Nobody should be forced to violate his conscience, and I do agree that the pastor didn't create the problem. But I can't imagine stopping a funeral midway. Have you ever attended such a funeral? I haven't. Actually, I've never even attended a wedding during which someone had an answer to that question about there being any reason that this man and this woman should not be joined.

    I think it's awful, and I am sorry for all concerned.

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