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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Even if they were told that - how is showing a loving couple embracing and kissing "celebrating a homosexual lifestyle"?

    What exactly IS celebrating a "homosexual lifestyle" anyway? gay pride flags all over the vestry? Dykes on bikes driving up the aisle? Sex on the altar? Or is it a celebration of one's family and friends, which all of us do?

    Were they ever told "no pictures of the spouses together"? That would be so cruel. How can you cut out the loved ones of the dead person?

    He should have just said "I"m sorry, I don't do funerals for lesbian couples" and let them find someone else.

    Or, when he realized that his interpretation of "celebrating a homosexual lifestyle" was different than theirs, he should have had the grace, humility and love of humankind to continue anyway.
    Why the **** are you asking ME this stuff???

    I wasn't there, I don't know the details of the arrangement, I had no say in the decision process, and I am not here to validate your belief system.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    "However, the family did not receive any word that they would be turned away until 15 minutes after the memorial service was already scheduled to begin."
    Lakewood Church Refuses to Host Lesbian Funeral - World Religion News

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't know - I took it for what it was worth. If it's not correct, it's not correct.

    If the church did establish ground rules, then do you agree that it was those who broke the agreement who violated trust?
    If there were groundrules it WOULD change my opinion and that is why I am asking people to provide proof.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Pastor isn't commenting, which sort of makes it look like he simply didn't do his homework very well.


    ...The eviction of a funeral mid-service at a Lakewood church could have been avoided had a clash of beliefs between a pastor and a lesbian family been vented beforehand, religious leaders said Wednesday.

    For Pastor Ray Chavez, allowing images of a gay couple to be displayed in the New Hope Ministries church he founded in 1981 would be akin to condoning a lifestyle condemned in the Bible, religious associates said. But the family of the deceased woman, Vanessa Collier, said they were only renting the church, brought their own minister and had no intention of causing doctrinal discord.

    Collier's funeral services Saturday were interrupted when Chavez told her family that no images of Collier with her wife, Christina Higley, would be allowed. During an open-casket viewing 15 minutes before the funeral service, the family chose instead to leave the church, carrying the casket and flowers to a funeral home across the street....

    Neither Chavez nor other church leaders returned calls seeking comment on Wednesday.

    But religious authorities who know Chavez say while legitimate criticism can be made about a failure to communicate church theology to the gay family, expecting the pastor to alter his beliefs to accommodate anyone would be a sin itself....
    So, the guy didn't check out the video (he probably assumed anyone coming to his church would do so because they shared his values, and didn't anticipate this problem), and as a result, this happened at the worst possible time. Unfortunate.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Why the **** are you asking ME this stuff???

    I wasn't there, I don't know the details of the arrangement, I had no say in the decision process, and I am not here to validate your belief system.
    We tend to challenge a person who makes a statement without providing proof.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "However, the family did not receive any word that they would be turned away until 15 minutes after the memorial service was already scheduled to begin."
    Lakewood Church Refuses to Host Lesbian Funeral - World Religion News
    is this the part where I say you are lying? The family wasn't told they would be turned away, they were told they couldn't display images of the deceased with her wife.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    "...The pastor who called off the funeral defended his actions to KCNC, saying he hadn't been aware of the video until right before the service, and that he gave the family the chance to edit it.

    "New Hope did their absolutely very best to accommodate this family in their hour of need,"Chaplain Gary Rolando said.

    He also told KMGH, "We don't want overt, open homosexuality in our sanctuary." But he did offer an apology, saying, "New Hope is very sorry. ... It's very sad that it happened the way that it did."
    Colorado church canceled lesbian woman's funeral, family says | www.kirotv.com

    I have read several articles, none of which indicate that advanced notice (more than 15 minutes) was not provided to the family. All such claims are a lie.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "However, the family did not receive any word that they would be turned away until 15 minutes after the memorial service was already scheduled to begin."
    Lakewood Church Refuses to Host Lesbian Funeral - World Religion News
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The lack of quotes coming directly from the pastor isn't due to the media not trying. The local news contacted the pastor for comment, and they hung up the phone when they realized it was the media. I guess he doesn't want to talk about it publicly....

    But the family tells the media they want their money refunded, and that looks really bad for now.
    Yeah. If groundrules were not laid out beforehand, the pastor should give the money back.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    is this the part where I say you are lying? The family wasn't told they would be turned away, they were told they couldn't display images of the deceased with her wife.
    "...15 minutes after the memorial service was already scheduled to begin." as I previously posted.

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