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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Go back, read the whole OP and then the thread thus far. The info is there. The pastor knew of their gay marriage a week before the funeral. Rules were laid down. The pictures were brought in by the family and when the pastor asked for them to be taken down before he proceeded, they moved the whole shebang rather than follow the rules.
    No, it's not in the link in the OP. If there is another site, then link that site. The link in the OP also says that the pastor has not reimbursed the family after stopping the funeral and kicking them out.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    The article in the OP doesn't not say there was a pre arranged deal. It says that became the ultimatum once the pastor saw the photos of the deceased kissing her wife. The article also states:

    Friends say they gave the church a remembrance video of Collier a week before that contained images of her kissing and embracing her wife. The pastor had every chance to stop the funeral long before it began, they said.

    Collier's friends say they still haven't been reimbursed by New Hope Ministry for the cost of the funeral.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. Because he had clearly said that he could not allow the church to be used to celebrate the homosexual lifestyle, specifically in the manner that they tried to. That was part of the deal - "Yes, we can do the funeral. But in order to hold true to our beliefs, we cannot do A, B, or C". They broke the deal.


    To shift it to a much more mundane example, if I were to ask to come into your house, and you were to reply "certainly, only take off those muddy boots please", and my reply was to stomp into your house with my boots on and wipe them off on your carpet.... I can't exactly complain when you ask me to leave that you are somehow being cruel to me. You let me into your house and I refused to follow the rules you asked me to.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So the pastor was okay with sending this sinner up into heaven.... as long as icky pictures weren't on display? The silliness of some religious ideas is incredible.
    This pastor wasn't sending the deceased anywhere. He was hired to give a Eulogy using his church building to highlight the good in the life of the deceased to comfort those who mourned their loss. Unfortunately those who hired him could not abide by his wishes. They expected him to compromise his beliefs to accommodate them.

    Moral to the story, if you want something "YOUR WAY", hire someone willing to give it to you. Don't expect others to cowtail and compromise their beliefs to accommodate you. Especially when those beliefs are made known up front and ignored by the one who hired you.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

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    No, a book written by ancient people said that, not God.
    And where did you learn about this 'God' then?

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This pastor wasn't sending the deceased anywhere. He was hired to give a Eulogy using his church building to highlight the good in the life of the deceased to comfort those who mourned their loss. Unfortunately those who hired him could not abide by his wishes. They expected him to compromise his beliefs to accommodate them.

    Moral to the story, if you want something "YOUR WAY", hire someone willing to give it to you. Don't expect others to cowtail and compromise their beliefs to accommodate you. Especially when those beliefs are made known up front and ignored by the one who hired you.
    He could have complained to the family when he saw the memorial video of her kissing her wife, but the family says he didn't raise any concern. Furthermore, he has hasn't refunded the family the funeral costs he charged them.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This pastor wasn't sending the deceased anywhere.
    Okay, I'll point it out to you: I was making a caricature of the entire ritual. I find it stupid that he was fine doing the service, as long as the gayness was put in a box for a little while.
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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    After coming to the realization that the family of this woman had not complied with his stipulations the pastor was in a no win situation. Had he gone on with the service at that point no one would have ever heard a word about it and the pastor would have been left with the knowledge that people walked into his house and treated him like a punk. Choosing to stand up for himself has brought down a whole boatload of negative publicity.

    He made the decision he made and I feel bad for the guy but I feel worse for the woman who's legacy is now tainted by this.

    Is RIP really too much to ask?

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Go back, read the whole OP and then the thread thus far. The info is there. The pastor knew of their gay marriage a week before the funeral. Rules were laid down. The pictures were brought in by the family and when the pastor asked for them to be taken down before he proceeded, they moved the whole shebang rather than follow the rules.
    I just read the intial story and looked for any more links through the entire thread. Since there arent any the facts of the story, at this point, is he new that she was a lesbian with a wife and didnt tell them anything before hand. He was not legally wrong for what he did but it was very wrong that he done it. I am willing to look over any more facts if people can provide them.

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    Re: Family: Lakewood church stops woman's funeral because she was gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    After coming to the realization that the family of this woman had not complied with his stipulations the pastor was in a no win situation. Had he gone on with the service at that point no one would have ever heard a word about it and the pastor would have been left with the knowledge that people walked into his house and treated him like a punk. Choosing to stand up for himself has brought down a whole boatload of negative publicity.

    He made the decision he made and I feel bad for the guy but I feel worse for the woman who's legacy is now tainted by this.

    Is RIP really too much to ask?
    Which stipulations? Where is such stipulation mentioned?

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