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    2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    This should be interesting.

    2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder in March Shooting - ABC News

    "Two Albuquerque police officers were charged with murder Monday in the shooting death of a knife-wielding homeless man that led to violent protests and brought new scrutiny to the police department amid a federal investigation.

    The decision to bring murder charges occurred at a time when police tactics are under intense review nationwide, fueled by the fatal shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old in Ferguson, Missouri, and the chokehold death of another unarmed man in New York City. Grand juries declined to charge officers in those cases, leading to large protests.

    Acknowledging the frustration over the secrecy of the proceedings in those cases, the Albuquerque district attorney said she would bypass the grand jury process and instead present the murder case to a judge at a preliminary hearing that will be open to the public.

    "Unlike Ferguson and unlike in New York City, we're going to know. The public is going to have that information," District Attorney Kari Brandenburg said."


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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Been following this one since it happened. I always thought what they did was unnecessary. The guy was turning and moving away, not attacking. I can understand the police officer's frustration but that is no excuse to kill somebody.

    Here's a video of the incident if anyone is interested.

    LiveLeak.com - Police Shoot Homeless Man During Camping Arrest - **KILL HIM DEAD****

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Been following this one since it happened. I always thought what they did was unnecessary. The guy was turning and moving away, not attacking. I can understand the police officer's frustration but that is no excuse to kill somebody.

    Here's a video of the incident if anyone is interested.

    LiveLeak.com - Police Shoot Homeless Man During Camping Arrest - **KILL HIM DEAD****
    I have watched the video a lot and while the guy had knives in his hands, like you said when he was shot his back was turned. But I dont think that the judge will go with the murder charges.

    That video has been all over the local news for months now. But thanx.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    What did he die from? It doesnt seem like they used real bullets. He was yelling he couldnt move, they were yelling 'bean bag' alot. I also heard them yell 'gun' (erroneously) immediately before or after the flashbang.

    Overkill (no pun intended) IMO. The public was not in immediate danger from his escape and the cops were not in immediate danger....they could have used more time and distance.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    As far as this case, some of it will come down to if the suspect had bullet holes in him.
    If only non-lethal rounds were used, this may just be a case of overzealous police,
    but not murder. That the DA chose not to take this in front of a grand jury is saying something.
    The larger concern would be the use of the body camera data to prosecute the Police.
    The police have a ugly job to do, and yes it can be violent.
    Outsiders watching a video, may not comprehend the level of danger in an
    incident, and therefore may conclude it is an over reaction.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Hmmm

    The criminal charges were the first Brandenburg has brought against officers in a shooting. She is in her fourth term as district attorney and is waging a fight with the Albuquerque Police Department over allegations that she committed bribery while intervening on behalf of her son in a burglary case.

    Police believe she should be charged with bribery because, they say, she offered to pay a victim not to press charges. The attorney general's office is handling the matter.

    Brandenburg said the charges against police had nothing to with the agency's investigation into her and that her office got the case long before the bribery claims came to light.


    That's a bit of a wrinkle.

    I can't watch any of the videos on the shooting itself on this computer but I've read all the posts in here so far and it seems that most posters think this was overkill or overreaction by the police? It will be interesting to see what happens here. Murder? Highly unlikely, but I'll bet the officers will be charged with something.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    This does add another twist to the story, that some of the cops intended to escalate
    ahead of time, it also could have been talking smack, with their peers.
    The question remains, did the man die from bullet holes, or was the cause of death
    from falling after the non lethal impacts?

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Gosh, I feel so much safer knowing that the cops are on the job protecting me from some homeless guy camping out in the hills. Oh, and I no longer fear for my life over someone selling cigarettes on the street! And that nonagenerian WWII vet is no longer a threat to society either.

    The problem is, this sort of thing gets conflated with the Brown case, and with the case of the nutter trying to run over cops. The issue is not some imaginary war between cops and civilians, but cops who misuse their authority.

    Was the homeless man black? He must not have been, or race would have been made out to be the core of the issue, rather than a few cops who use deadly force where it is not necessary.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    So much hardware for a man sleeping in a park. What's up with that?

    The dude went for his knives AFTER the cops shot the flashbang at him. Why did they do that at all?

    Sorry, but the cops came to the scene looking for violence, escalated it and as a result someone is dead.

    Murder seems appropriate to me.
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