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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I won't speak for him, but I agree in that if the autopsy had indicated he was shot in the lower stomach or chest (instead of clearly being shot in the BACK), it wouldn't make this a righteous shooting. '

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No one ever said that it would.
    The point is I'm not at all clear what autopsy findings would clear the officers. But I'll drop it - we have the autopsy so speculating on what it shows or doesn't show is kind of pointless at this point. He was shot in the back, that shot killed him, which is the worst possible result for the officers involved.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is I'm not at all clear what autopsy findings would clear the officers. But I'll drop it - we have the autopsy so speculating on what it shows or doesn't show is kind of pointless at this point. He was shot in the back, that shot killed him, which is the worst possible result for the officers involved.
    I was only talking about making judgments from what's seen and heard on video. That is the only point I was trying to make from that conversation.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is I'm not at all clear what autopsy findings would clear the officers. But I'll drop it - we have the autopsy so speculating on what it shows or doesn't show is kind of pointless at this point. He was shot in the back, that shot killed him, which is the worst possible result for the officers involved.
    A moot point at this point, but if the autopsy had shown no gunshot wounds, and death was a result
    of the fall from the beanbag impacts, it might reflect different.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    As far as this case, some of it will come down to if the suspect had bullet holes in him.
    If only non-lethal rounds were used, this may just be a case of overzealous police,
    but not murder. That the DA chose not to take this in front of a grand jury is saying something.
    The larger concern would be the use of the body camera data to prosecute the Police.
    The police have a ugly job to do, and yes it can be violent.
    Outsiders watching a video, may not comprehend the level of danger in an
    incident, and therefore may conclude it is an over reaction.
    Overzealous police resulting in death: murder (manslaughter).

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know all the facts of this case, and I am no real fan of Brandenburg, but I think she's right here. Let's keep this as public as possible so there is no question about what actually went down. I wonder if Eric Holder's boys will be showing up here? How about Sharpton and Jackson? Are we to be treated to their rantings? Will these two police officers be tried, convicted, and sentenced in the media as has happened elsewhere? Are we to have riots on the city streets?
    I dont like her, but I applaud her ball's on this one. You are right it is good that she put this all out in the open. And I am also glad that she waited until the occupiers packed up and went home. She waited a decent amount of time so the people blocking freeways cant claim victory. But they will probably be back to beat their chests. I doubt that those that you mentioned will bother coming to New Mexico for much of anything. Lets hope at least that they dont, we dont need roiters and misfits, we have plenty of misfits as it is.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Overzealous police resulting in death: murder (manslaughter).
    More info has come out, but without intent, murder might be a stretch.
    Since there was lethal force used, and at least one of the police stated an intent to
    escalate, I think that is enough to take to a grand Jury.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I lived in NM for 5 years, only had one run in with a wannabe campground host and ranger.

    People from El Paso are the problem, I heard Texans were a big problem in New Mexico, they also drive like there's no tomorrow,

    NM should hang signage saying they're unfriendly to anyone from out of state. I do know that NM state troopers are bigger dickheads than anywhere I've ever visited, except for Alabama, and those take the cake.
    The bordering State is always the problem lol

    I havent had any problems with cops here other than one late night coming home, it was beer thirty and assumed that I had just left a bar. I am not good at standing on one foot at 3am reciting the alphabet backwards. As far as Staters, only been pulled over once by them and I asked him to give me a break so he did.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Good display of a lack of understanding of use of lethal force and self-defense.

    Esp. odd since you were aware of the questions from the Ferguson case and the impact of the autopsy results.

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    For the 4th time now - What would an autopsy say that'll change that?

    'That' being the fact he was killed by gunshots as the title of the video says.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    More info has come out, but without intent, murder might be a stretch.
    Since there was lethal force used, and at least one of the police stated an intent to
    escalate, I think that is enough to take to a grand Jury.
    Intent isn't a stretch at all. They came out with way more hardware than needed for a vagrancy charge. Then, when the man was clearly giving up, they shot a flash-bang at him. They were clearly looking to escalate the situation.
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