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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    We need an autopsy. They clearly didn't think the guy was dead since they cuffed him immediately and no one appeared to check for a pulse. Plus I didn't see any blood. But it does seem like an awful lot of heavily armed officers for what looks like a guy camping in the hills.
    Playing devil's advocate for a moment...

    Best I can tell from the video 6-7 (2 of the shots were right on top of each other) shots were fired and all at his torso. I am not sure the argument can be made that the officers thought he was alive, or conscious, or in control enough to obey new commands after being shot like that. Not checking for a pulse could go either way on helping the officers case or be used against them.

    I am still back to the same conclusion. *After* firing several times they then shot him with beanbags with no response, then they sent the dog in and got no response, then said "he's good," but still said right after "step on that hand real hard," then they moved in to cuff him once motionless, looked for the knife (knives, there may have been another thrown,) and told each other "good job." The video ends but I heard no calls for medical aid, that could be construed as they knew he was dead and it was congratulations time. BTW, there is blood on his back and the rock next to the body.

    In this case I see enough evidence to charge these officers with murder. Granted the suspect did not drop all his knives (or the one remaining) but he also did not charge them, seems to me the beanbag shots and perhaps use of the dog would have been the way to deescalate the situation. But, they decided to fire first. This is going to be a tough one for the officers to defend.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Playing devil's advocate for a moment...

    Best I can tell from the video 6-7 (2 of the shots were right on top of each other) shots were fired and all at his torso. I am not sure the argument can be made that the officers thought he was alive, or conscious, or in control enough to obey new commands after being shot like that. Not checking for a pulse could go either way on helping the officers case or be used against them.

    I am still back to the same conclusion. *After* firing several times they then shot him with beanbags with no response, then they sent the dog in and got no response, then said "he's good," but still said right after "step on that hand real hard," then they moved in to cuff him once motionless, looked for the knife (knives, there may have been another thrown,) and told each other "good job." The video ends but I heard no calls for medical aid, that could be construed as they knew he was dead and it was congratulations time. BTW, there is blood on his back and the rock next to the body.

    In this case I see enough evidence to charge these officers with murder. Granted the suspect did not drop all his knives (or the one remaining) but he also did not charge them, seems to me the beanbag shots and perhaps use of the dog would have been the way to deescalate the situation. But, they decided to fire first. This is going to be a tough one for the officers to defend.
    I heard him speak while on the ground: "I cant move, I cant move" while they were screaming at him to drop the knives. And he moved his feet a little so he wasnt dead while they were screaming at him, at least not the whole time.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I heard him speak while on the ground: "I cant move, I cant move" while they were screaming at him to drop the knives. And he moved his feet a little so he wasnt dead while they were screaming at him, at least not the whole time.
    That might help their case... there seems to be enough to charge the officers and let the courts determine what happened with evidence offered. Until then, a quick "the officers were justified" statement tells me that we should all be concerned out there. The bar for officers to kill someone is getting lowered the further we go.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Brief search revealed this: Autopsy: James Boyd was shot in the back and arms | New Mexico News - KOAT Home

    Edit: link to autopsy http://www.kob.com/kobtvimages/repos...oydautopsy.pdf

    He was shot twice - (bullets, not beanbags), in the back and upper arm, with the shot that entered his lower back the fatal one. The arm had to be amputated.

    Video looks like a bunch of Rambo wannabees who mistook a homeless, mentally ill person for a dangerous criminal they daydream about taking out.
    Thanks. Shot in the back. I understand how that can legitimately happen in a self-defense situation but he never came toward them and at that point I think he was even past Tueller distance of 21 feet, over very rough ground. IMO real bullets were not needed.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    That might help their case... there seems to be enough to charge the officers and let the courts determine what happened with evidence offered. Until then, a quick "the officers were justified" statement tells me that we should all be concerned out there. The bar for officers to kill someone is getting lowered the further we go.
    Too late. Apparently, as JasperL just posted, he had already been hit with live rounds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Oh, so New Mexico now has a total of three back shooting LE officers and Rangers that we know of.


    Park Ranger shoots unarmed camper in back, kills him for not paying camp fee.... gets no jailtime - AR15.Com Archive

    And then there were those LE officers who fired shots into a van full of children.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    This should be interesting.

    2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder in March Shooting - ABC News

    "Two Albuquerque police officers were charged with murder Monday in the shooting death of a knife-wielding homeless man that led to violent protests and brought new scrutiny to the police department amid a federal investigation.

    The decision to bring murder charges occurred at a time when police tactics are under intense review nationwide, fueled by the fatal shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old in Ferguson, Missouri, and the chokehold death of another unarmed man in New York City. Grand juries declined to charge officers in those cases, leading to large protests.

    Acknowledging the frustration over the secrecy of the proceedings in those cases, the Albuquerque district attorney said she would bypass the grand jury process and instead present the murder case to a judge at a preliminary hearing that will be open to the public.

    "Unlike Ferguson and unlike in New York City, we're going to know. The public is going to have that information," District Attorney Kari Brandenburg said."

    based on the video and autopsy VERY sound decision to go to court and it doesnt look good for the officers
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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh, so New Mexico now has a total of three back shooting LE officers and Rangers that we know of.


    Park Ranger shoots unarmed camper in back, kills him for not paying camp fee.... gets no jailtime - AR15.Com Archive

    And then there were those LE officers who fired shots into a van full of children.

    New Mexico, the new and wild frontier. Be careful where you camp if you go there.
    Dont be such a alarmist, That wasnt camping that place is a party spot where a bunch of people from El paso and Albuquerque show up and get into fights. At certain times of the year it has a bunch of wannabe spring break kids running around.

    But yea this is a scary place be sure not to come here. lol

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Playing devil's advocate for a moment...

    Best I can tell from the video 6-7 (2 of the shots were right on top of each other) shots were fired and all at his torso. I am not sure the argument can be made that the officers thought he was alive, or conscious, or in control enough to obey new commands after being shot like that. Not checking for a pulse could go either way on helping the officers case or be used against them.

    I am still back to the same conclusion. *After* firing several times they then shot him with beanbags with no response, then they sent the dog in and got no response, then said "he's good," but still said right after "step on that hand real hard," then they moved in to cuff him once motionless, looked for the knife (knives, there may have been another thrown,) and told each other "good job." The video ends but I heard no calls for medical aid, that could be construed as they knew he was dead and it was congratulations time. BTW, there is blood on his back and the rock next to the body.

    In this case I see enough evidence to charge these officers with murder. Granted the suspect did not drop all his knives (or the one remaining) but he also did not charge them, seems to me the beanbag shots and perhaps use of the dog would have been the way to deescalate the situation. But, they decided to fire first. This is going to be a tough one for the officers to defend.
    Yeah, that's true. And that's all well and good. But do you actually think they are gonna convict a cop of murder? The system is rigged. Always just drop to your knees and submit to a cop, right or wrong. Defying their Alpha-Dog attitude, or not "respecting their authority," is enough in their mind, to kill you. And the courts, more times than not, (almost enough to say, "always,") gives them their pass. Call it professional loyalty.

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    Re: 2 Albuquerque Officers Charged With Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What caused his death?
    The video tells us his death was due to getting shot. That's pretty clear.

    There's nothing in an autopsy that'll make that go away.
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