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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That would be a free market of traffic. How much more conservative can you get? Bandwidth will be used by your site if you provide good content. I am not really aware that bandwidth is being choked all that much - even with bit torrent and Netflix type data transfers.

    Though I don't see why anyone would be for data throttling based off of website anyway. If bandwidth usage was such a problem, I am not sure why that wouldn't be handled via large data caps, as it would really only be effected by users who are running servers and doing massive downloads. I'm sure a 10 TB monthly cap (that you could pay extra for if you needed more) would work for 99% of people.

    Not really the place to discuss the subject, but the internet is not sufficient to guarantee anywhere close to a 10tb cap for users. That is the equivalent of a constant connect at about 4mbps which would cost you $700+/month. Most US service providers have an unpublished cap on your service closer to 150gb.
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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Not really the place to discuss the subject, but the internet is not sufficient to guarantee anywhere close to a 10tb cap for users. That is the equivalent of a constant connect at about 4mbps which would cost you $700+/month. Most US service providers have an unpublished cap on your service closer to 150gb.
    I will yield to you a bit on this, as I am no SME on the topic of bandwidth. Aren't most lines, especially in non-rural areas, somewhat dedicated at this point? Obviously DSL is, but aren't the fiber optic lines offered by U-Verse and Fios dedicated as well?
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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I will yield to you a bit on this, as I am no SME on the topic of bandwidth. Aren't most lines, especially in non-rural areas, somewhat dedicated at this point? Obviously DSL is, but aren't the fiber optic lines offered by U-Verse and Fios dedicated as well?
    No, all internet service relies of over provisioning to make it marketable. You can pay for 100mbs Fios but it is on the unstated expectation that your average usage over a month will be FAR below 100mbs (usually the expected average use is closer to a 56k modem then it is to even 1mbs). People who far exceed that average rate will eventually hit their monthly data cap that they never knew they signed up for.

    This is why a business that needs full time 24/7 bandwidth appears to pay way to much for internet.

    So, for instance (in simple terms), an ISP will sell 100 people a FIOS internet connection at a speed of 100mbs on the assumption that the average per customer will actually be 1mbs over the course of the month. That way each person pays $100, for a total of $10,000 paid for 100mbs of total bandwidth to the internet and the ISP pays $7500 to the Core Internet provider for the lease. If a company needs a full, guaranteed 100mbs of FIOS for 24/7 data replication they would pay $10,000 for the service to get the guaranteed bandwidth.
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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Dish Drops Two Fox Channels - WSJ

    Not "breaking" news per se, but I have noticed Fox is now currently running commercials with Bill O'Reilly here (Seattle) claiming DTV is censoring what viewers are seeing. A total lie. Typical Fox Noise.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    I've seen that commercial too. Since the average Fox viewer buys wholeheartedly into the fact that everything is a liberal conspiracy to keep conservatives down, no doubt some of them believe it. Usually this sort of thing is a money issue - usually it's the channel asking for more money from the cable or sattelite provider.


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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, all internet service relies of over provisioning to make it marketable. You can pay for 100mbs Fios but it is on the unstated expectation that your average usage over a month will be FAR below 100mbs (usually the expected average use is closer to a 56k modem then it is to even 1mbs). People who far exceed that average rate will eventually hit their monthly data cap that they never knew they signed up for.

    This is why a business that needs full time 24/7 bandwidth appears to pay way to much for internet.

    So, for instance (in simple terms), an ISP will sell 100 people a FIOS internet connection at a speed of 100mbs on the assumption that the average per customer will actually be 1mbs over the course of the month. That way each person pays $100, for a total of $10,000 paid for 100mbs of total bandwidth to the internet and the ISP pays $7500 to the Core Internet provider for the lease. If a company needs a full, guaranteed 100mbs of FIOS for 24/7 data replication they would pay $10,000 for the service to get the guaranteed bandwidth.
    What of these companies starting to come out with 10gbps connections? They are expensive for now, sure, but one could expect the price to drop. Are we not assuming that bandwidth is going to continue growing at a rate to keep up with demand?

    (Thanks for the info, FYI. It's rare to discuss with someone who is really knowledgeable on a subject)
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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Dish Drops Two Fox Channels - WSJ

    Not "breaking" news per se, but I have noticed Fox is now currently running commercials with Bill O'Reilly here (Seattle) claiming DTV is censoring what viewers are seeing. A total lie. Typical Fox Noise.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Meh. I don't even have cable or dish any more. I can get news from Fox or anyone by streaming it. If I want to watch the Superbowl I'll just go to a sports bar or something.

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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Fox is accusing DTV of censoring them. It's a blatant bold faced lie.

    How many times were you allowed to spew this nonsense without someone calling you out on it? Umm, prey tell what lie did they tell, can you provide a link? The add I saw said NOTHING about censoring FOX, NOTHING.


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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    How many times were you allowed to spew this nonsense without someone calling you out on it? Umm, prey tell what lie did they tell, can you provide a link? The add I saw said NOTHING about censoring FOX, NOTHING.


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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Meh, FN will spin it to be censorship. It's financial, all about the money. Also a sign that Dish is a distant #2 against cable and seemingly determined to stay that way. S'okay, it's a ****ty service anyway.

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    Re: Dish Drops Two Fox Channels

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Dish Drops Two Fox Channels - WSJ

    Not "breaking" news per se, but I have noticed Fox is now currently running commercials with Bill O'Reilly here (Seattle) claiming DTV is censoring what viewers are seeing. A total lie. Typical Fox Noise.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Dish was going to do the same thing with CBS but apparently enough people pitched a bitch so they kept CBS. I smell an advertising campaign...
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