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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're so busy spinning useless and off point insults that you can't see that China has been a member of the UNSC from it's inception.
    Sigh, another person who ignores basic history in favor of his ridiculous assertions:

    China and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Republic of China (ROC) was a charter member of the United Nations and one of five permanent members of the Security Council until 1971.
    If you don't even know the difference between the ROC and the PRC, how can you even begin to discuss China's actual place in the world in the 1970s? Here's a simple fact: The Chinese economy in the 1970s was crippled in 1971. It was not an economic powerhouse because Mao's cultural reform had completely destroyed any hopes of economic prosperity. Nixon went over there DURING that time, right after, guess what changes and what doesn't? China continues to have no real political freedoms for most of the 20th century, and in turn, it's economy grows to unprecedented heights. Today, these economic freedoms have shown to have some impact given the recent Hong Kong/Mainland demonstrations. Do you believe that would have happened just 25 years ago?

    Also leading with the largest population and size of army did indeed make it a world power. In fact it was 1971 when the seat was converted from the Republic of China to the People's Republic of China. Nixon negotiated with the later, not the former.

    Also that pesky nuclear capable nations thing figured prominently into it's place as a world power.

    Doesn't matter one iota in this discussion as wrong as you are. The sanctions have indeed hurt the dictatorship.
    Lmao,

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    I'm sure the Castros are hurting with a billion dollars in the bank, and a 50 year old dictatorship in play that you wish to see unchallenged.
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except it's NOT within his executive power. He's first have to prove the Helms-Burton act unconstitutional and thus not in force. As it stands, that's not happening.
    Foreign affairs are within the president's executive power. So far he's abided by them under the provisions of the Helms-Burton act. That you continue to deny this is your problem, not mine.
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Now why would the default be suspicion of what comes next on the day after Cuba made good on it's promise.

    And, my friend, can you supply any evidence that Bill Pascrell Jr. knows **** all about Cuba? It will have to include evidence that his sorry, pampered ass has ever been on the island. Does he know the largest employment sector? Has he seen their jails, their health care system, roamed free on the island for two weeks?

    Because failing any, the man is another blow hard looking for his 15 minutes of fame by wallowing in 50 year old myths.

    and can anyone here name the ingredients to Cuba's unofficial official sandwich?

    The truth is the USA is terrified of a little mouse who treats its criminals far better than the inmates at the ****ing Gulag on the south of the island. It's time for US poiticos to close the pie hole and do something about that concentration camp....

    that's what it looks like, btw, a very modern Nazi designed concentration camp.


    Heya F&L. Well I would have to say its because Bill Clinton.....wanted it that way. Which is why they added on to it with part two of the conditions.

    No, I can't but I do know some other Demos that are filing some legislation over any opening of diplomatic relations. Which doesn't count any Republicans.

    Unofficial Official.....nah, I wouldn't know anything about that.



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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Foreign affairs are within the president's executive power. So far he's abided by them under the provisions of the Helms-Burton act. That you continue to deny this is your problem, not mine.
    No, they really aren't. Oh, he can talk, but he cannot do anything concrete without congressional authorization. He cannot level or withdraw sanctions, nor can he make treaties or agreements. When it comes down to that it's congress who authorizes, or doesn't, his work.

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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sigh, another person who ignores basic history in favor of his ridiculous assertions:

    China and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    If you don't even know the difference between the ROC and the PRC, how can you even begin to discuss China's actual place in the world in the 1970s? Here's a simple fact: The Chinese economy in the 1970s was crippled in 1971. It was not an economic powerhouse because Mao's cultural reform had completely destroyed any hopes of economic prosperity. Nixon went over there DURING that time, right after, guess what changes and what doesn't? China continues to have no real political freedoms for most of the 20th century, and in turn, it's economy grows to unprecedented heights. Today, these economic freedoms have shown to have some impact given the recent Hong Kong/Mainland demonstrations. Do you believe that would have happened just 25 years ago?



    Lmao,

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    I'm sure the Castros are hurting with a billion dollars in the bank, and a 50 year old dictatorship in play that you wish to see unchallenged.
    So, you finally did some reading and found out I was correct, good. And yes, China was at an economic low point then, but since when has that been the bar for being a world power? Did we stop being a world power the many times in our history when our economy was on the skids? No.

    And yes, the Castros are isolated. They have a ton of money, not really their money, that can't be spent in the places they'd most like to spend it.

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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, they really aren't.
    LMAO! What!?!?!?! Holy ****

    Foreign Policy Roles of the President and Congress

    Occasionally the President undertakes a dramatic or sudden foreign policy action before Congress is fully informed about it. Congress then is faced with the dilemma of supporting the action or being charged with undercutting the President before the world. Congress usually supports the President, but on occasion it tries to halt or reverse the policy or pass legislation to restrain the President from similar actions in the future.

    When President Reagan launched a military invasion of Grenada on October 24, 1983, Congress essentially supported the President in his stated effort to prevent the formation of a Communist foothold there. Although both Houses of Congress passed separate measures that would invoke the War Powers Resolution, neither measure was passed by both Houses. 32 Congressional leaders apparently received assurances from the White House that the troops would be out within 60 days, and public opinion strongly supported the action. Congress also supported the President's action by approving $15 million for grant economic assistance programs to Grenada.


    Similarly, when President Reagan ordered the bombing of Libya on April 15, 1986, to counter state-supported terrorism, and when President Bush ordered the invasion of Panama on December 20, 1989, to apprehend General Manuel Noriega, most Members supported the President's effort. Widespread public support greeted the President's action and was also a factor in determining the congressional response.


    In another instance, President Clinton addressed a financial crisis in Mexico, after a devaluation of the peso in late December 1994. In an effort to prevent Mexican default on billions of dollars worth of debt obligations, in early 1995, the President's economic advisors crafted a package of support for Mexico that did not require a Congressional vote on the controversial proposal. This action was taken when it appeared possible that Congress would not enact the Administration's legislation to deal with the crisis. The independent initiative by President Clinton included $20 billion in credits from the Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF) of the Treasury Department, which is normally used to stabilize the U.S. dollar's value; $ 10 billion in credits from the Bank for International Settlements, and $17.8 billion from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The Clinton Administration's independent intervention in the Mexican peso crisis led to significant criticism in Congress, but efforts to modify or block it were either defeated or abandoned. 33


    Occasionally, however, Congress significantly refines or alters a policy independently undertaken by the President. This was the case in the 1979 policy change toward the People's Republic of China and Taiwan. On December 15, 1978, President Carter announced suddenly that the United States would establish diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China on January 1, 1979, and terminate the defense treaty with the Republic of China on Taiwan after the one year's notice required by the treaty. The Administration also submitted legislation to govern future relations with Taiwan.


    While few Members of Congress opposed the establishment of relations with China, a move anticipated since President Nixon's trip to China in 1972, many Members sought to modify the practical implications of the new policy and reassure allies in the Pacific.
    Please educate yourself on this topic. The fact that you keep spouting untruths is pretty ridiculous. Congress' duties are restricted to refining those actions and policies. This has been proven true for the last 100 years of US history.

    Oh, he can talk, but he cannot do anything concrete without congressional authorization. He cannot level or withdraw sanctions, nor can he make treaties or agreements. When it comes down to that it's congress who authorizes, or doesn't, his work.
    Nobody is claiming he did. What is being claimed is that foreign affairs are the president's domain. He can sign treaties and agreements and he can refuse to sign any sanctions as issued by congress. What congress can chose to do is NOT RATIFY treaties after they have been signed. Are you seriously this uninformed? Here are a list of treaties and agreements we've signatories to but haven't ratified:

    List of treaties unsigned or unratified by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, you finally did some reading and found out I was correct, good. And yes, China was at an economic low point then, but since when has that been the bar for being a world power?
    Continuing to defend your weak assertions is really pathetic at this point. The fact that you're not even reading is far more telling. China's power in 1970 really didn't exist. It wasn't an economic power, it wasn't a political power (as the Cultural form had drawn Sinocentrism back within China's borders - the links I posted showed that, did you read them?). Face it, in 1970, China was a bunch of backwater peasants who didn't have the economic purchasing power they're related to 40 years later. They were for the most part nobodies. What changed after 1972?

    Did we stop being a world power the many times in our history when our economy was on the skids? No.

    And yes, the Castros are isolated. They have a ton of money, not really their money, that can't be spent in the places they'd most like to spend it.
    Lmao, I get it - money doesn't matter, they're hurting by being the most opulent family in Cuba, traveling and meeting with world leaders, and their regime is just hurting even though there is no evidence of such. You're really starting to get predictable.
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Do enlighten us?

    Because, you know, right now that exchange seems to be headed in the direction where Hatuey actually got it right; but you're going to sourpuss, scoff and then refuse to explain what the "correct" answer is.


    Although there are variations, the Cuban sandwich starts with Cuban bread, a load/small baguette,sliced horizontally, toasted, lightly buttered or brushed with olive oil on the crust. A coat of standard mustard, then highly sliced roast pork, glazed ham, Swiss cheese, and thinly-sliced dill pickles are added in layers. i like the pork marinated in what they call "mojo sauce".

    In the Miami area they add or use salami and mayo which are non starters for me.

    When fully assembled the sandwich is roasted on both sides in a "plancha" which also heats and melts the cheese. I have had Sauerkraut instead of pickles.....awsome
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya F&L. Well I would have to say its because Bill Clinton.....wanted it that way. Which is why they added on to it with part two of the conditions.

    No, I can't but I do know some other Demos that are filing some legislation over any opening of diplomatic relations. Which doesn't count any Republicans.

    Unofficial Official.....nah, I wouldn't know anything about that.

    Cuban bread from La Segunda, roast pork, cured ham, Genoa salami, Swiss cheese, kosher pickles and mustard.
    There really aren't these many ingredients to add to a regular sandwich in Cuba.
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    Re: Exclusive: Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal - U.S. official

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What?! Were you there during the special period? Cause that's all my wife says she ate for most of the 90s.

    Did I get that right? Your wife had a special period?
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