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    Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It's a stretch on the definitions for the giver, admittedly, but the outcome is the same, if not better, for the recipient.
    Stretch? Here is reality. Charity is reaching into your own pocket to pull out money you then give away to someone you consider needy. Reaching into someone else's pocket for the money isn't charity. It's theft.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Stretch? Here is reality. Charity is reaching into your own pocket to pull out money you then give away to someone you consider needy. Reaching into someone else's pocket for the money isn't charity. It's theft.
    We have different definitions of who has rightful ownership of the respective pockets.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We have different definitions of who has rightful ownership of the respective pockets.
    I won't argue with that. I've seen how liberals think enough to know that respect for other peoples' property rights isn't much of a concern for them.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I won't argue with that. I've seen how liberals think enough to know that respect for other peoples' property rights isn't much of a concern for them.
    Coincidentally, I've seen conservatives take full credit for accomplishments that are products of society and refuse to pay it forward.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Coincidentally, I've seen conservatives take full credit for accomplishments that are products of society and refuse to pay it forward.
    Yeah? Tell me all about it, why don't you? Tell me about a few of them you've seen.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Coincidentally, I've seen conservatives take full credit for accomplishments that are products of society and refuse to pay it forward.
    the old "you didnt build that" argument

    well....i dont agree with that statement anymore now, than i did when the president opened his mouth and said it the first time

    most politicians dont have a ****ing clue as to what it takes to build a successful business, and to thrive in a competitive marketplace

    on EITHER side of the aisle

    most of them have never done anything other than politics, or law, or lobbying

    building a business from the ground up, and making it successful is very very hard

    the failure rate of new businesses in the US is approximately 80% as this article states

    Five Reasons 8 Out Of 10 Businesses Fail - Forbes
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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We have different definitions of who has rightful ownership of the respective pockets.
    Wait....What the? Who has ownership of MY pocket?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yeah? Tell me all about it, why don't you? Tell me about a few of them you've seen.
    I have a feeling I may be discussing this with one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the old "you didnt build that" argument

    well....i dont agree with that statement anymore now, than i did when the president opened his mouth and said it the first time

    most politicians dont have a ****ing clue as to what it takes to build a successful business, and to thrive in a competitive marketplace

    on EITHER side of the aisle

    most of them have never done anything other than politics, or law, or lobbying

    building a business from the ground up, and making it successful is very very hard
    The percentage of failures doesn't really negate the argument that it's a communal product, dependent on society to exist, let alone succeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait....What the? Who has ownership of MY pocket?
    Everyone, to a degree. "Ownership" is an incredibly subjective issue.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I have a feeling I may be discussing this with one of them.
    Oh. yeah. Feelings. Sing it for me now.

    Everyone, to a degree. "Ownership" is an incredibly subjective issue.
    Maybe it is subjective to thieves but not to honest people.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Oh. yeah. Feelings. Sing it for me now.



    Maybe it is subjective to thieves but not to honest people.
    "Thief" falls under the subjective category as well.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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