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    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer

    A Muslim employee of a kosher grocery store in Paris is being hailed as a hero for hiding several customers in a walk-in freezer to save them from a violent gunman.

    Lassana Bathily, 24, led the others into the basement of his workplace, Hyper Cacher, when Amedy Coulibaly opened fire on Friday, according to French media.
    The gunman burst into the store just hours before the Jewish Sabbath began and killed four people in what President François Hollande called "a terrifying anti-Semitic act."
    “I opened the door, and several people came in with me. I turned off the lights, I turned off the freezer, and they got into the freezer,” Bathily told local station BFMTV. “I told them to calm down, to not make noise. If he knows we’re here, he can come down and kill us.”
    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
    it's not an all or nothing deal.

    one side saying Muslims are silent is no more accurate than saying Muslims are not silent.

    some Muslims are.. some aren't...some support the terrorism, some don't.... some don't care about radicals doing evil in their name, some do..... that's just the reality of it.


    unfortunately, the more Muslims and their sympathizers, preach about western interference being bad.... the more these Muslims , themselves, will be held responsible for cleaning up their own backyard.
    they can't really say " mind your own business" and then do nothing substantial to clean up the problems.
    is that fair?... nope... sure ain't.... will moderate Muslims be judged in there with radical Muslims?... yup, sure will.
    do i have solutions to any of this?.... nope, sure don't.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
    What this individual did is heroic. He should be celebrated as a hero. There are in fact individuals within the Muslim communities that speak out, always after the tragedies.

    You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem. This notion that you can herald one brave act as the 'standard' for 'good' Muslims everywhere is just silly. Its as stupid as saying there are NO problems with excessive police use of force because, look, the law enforcement agencies across the country have Internal Affairs offices!

    There ARE people that brand all Muslims terrorists. Those people are morons and its fair to call them out as morons. That does not negate the fact that there are a growing number of fundamentalist extremist Muslims, that those fundamentalist extremist Muslims kill daily across the globe, and that they do so because of their interpretation of their belief system. Those people ALSO should be called out.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What this individual did is heroic. He should be celebrated as a hero. There are in fact individuals within the Muslim communities that speak out, always after the tragedies.

    You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem. This notion that you can herald one brave act as the 'standard' for 'good' Muslims everywhere is just silly. Its as stupid as saying there are NO problems with excessive police use of force because, look, the law enforcement agencies across the country have Internal Affairs offices!

    There ARE people that brand all Muslims terrorists. Those people are morons and its fair to call them out as morons. That does not negate the fact that there are a growing number of fundamentalist extremist Muslims, that those fundamentalist extremist Muslims kill daily across the globe, and that they do so because of their interpretation of their belief system. Those people ALSO should be called out.
    You know, it's really ridiculous that you believe these dialogues aren't taking place in the Muslim world. Do you watch a lot of TV from the Muslim world or something? Here are 45 groups discussing terrorism in Islam:

    45 Examples of Muslim Outrage About Charlie Hebdo Attack That Fox News Missed | Alternet
    Charlie Hebdo: Islamic leaders in Australia condemn Paris attacks
    Charlie Hebdo killings condemned by Arab states
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...194759746.html

    Just because you're not aware of it, does not mean it doesn't exist. It's there. It has been there. Condemnation and discussion on these attacks is taking place in the homes of millions of Muslims. To suggest otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
    You could say the same about the Muslim policeman who was killed (and whose family you can hear from below#) ironically in the service of a state that will make his families live incredibly difficult if the Front Nationale gets elected

    *BBC News - Charlie Hebdo attack: Ahmed Merabet's family speak out

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    You could say the same about the Muslim policeman who was killed (and whose family you can hear from below#) ironically in the service of a state that will make his families live incredibly difficult if the Front Nationale gets elected

    *BBC News - Charlie Hebdo attack: Ahmed Merabet's family speak out
    You most definitely could. Nice to see you again Dave!
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    But, but, but it's so multicultural! A Muslim employee in a kosher store saving multiethnic people from extremists!
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You know, it's really ridiculous that you believe these dialogues aren't taking place in the Muslim world. Do you watch a lot of TV from the Muslim world or something? Here are 45 groups discussing terrorism in Islam:

    45 Examples of Muslim Outrage About Charlie Hebdo Attack That Fox News Missed | Alternet
    Charlie Hebdo: Islamic leaders in Australia condemn Paris attacks
    Charlie Hebdo killings condemned by Arab states
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...194759746.html

    Just because you're not aware of it, does not mean it doesn't exist. It's there. It has been there. Condemnation and discussion on these attacks is taking place in the homes of millions of Muslims. To suggest otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
    I wonder if you can see how ridiculous you come across. You cherry pick a few examples of the BILLIONS of Muslims and claim it's happening EVERYWHERE. Sound familiar? Sound sort of like the people that suggest that terrorist acts are actually representative of ALL Muslims?

    And no...I don't frequent Muslim homes. I doubt you have either. I did spend 4 years in 7 countries throughout the ME and can honestly say that open condemnation of Fundamentalist extremists was never EVER on display.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    He's a hero. I wish him a very "Salaam Aleikum".

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I wonder if you can see how ridiculous you come across. You cherry pick a few examples of the BILLIONS of Muslims and claim it's happening EVERYWHERE. Sound familiar?
    Lmao, since you didn't even read the links or for that matter understand them:

    http://twocircles.net/2008feb26/poli...l#.VLHtsGTF8vE

    The Gallup organisation's poll of some 50,000 people in over 35 predominantly Muslim countries found that what motivated those considered "politically radicalised" was their fear of occupation by the West and the US, though most even admired and hoped for democratic principles.

    "Politics, not piety, differentiate moderates from radicals" in the Islamic world, said Dalia Mogahed, executive director of the Gallup Center for Muslim studies. "Terrorism sympathisers don't hate our freedom, they want our freedom."

    The overwhelming majority of Muslims - 93 percent - condemned the Sep 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, and most said the biggest obstacle to better relations with the West was the latter's lack of respect for Islam.
    Muslim attitudes towards terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A 2007 Pew Research Center study of several nations throughout the Muslim world showed that opposition to suicide bombing in the Muslim world is increasing, with a majority of Muslims surveyed in 10 out of the 16 of the countries responding that suicide bombings and other violence against civilians is "never" justified, though an average of 38% believe it is justified at least rarely. Opposition to Hamas was the majority opinion in only 4 out of the 16 countries surveyed, as was opposition to Hezbollah.[1] The Pew Research Study did not include Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria in the survey, although densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, and Bangladesh were included.

    A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.[7] A 2007 poll found that one Muslim in four thought the Government had staged the bombings and framed the Muslims convicted.[8] A 2011 study by Pew Research showed that 64% of Muslim Americans thought that there was not much or no support among them for extremism, while 6% thought there was a great deal, and 15% thought there was a fair amount.[9]
    Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
    68% of Israeli Arabs oppose recent wave of terrorism, poll finds - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
    The myth of Muslim support for terror - CSMonitor.com

    Contrast those numbers with 2006 polling results from the world's most-populous Muslim countries – Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nigeria. Terror Free Tomorrow, the organization I lead, found that 74 percent of respondents in Indonesia agreed that terrorist attacks are "never justified"; in Pakistan, that figure was 86 percent; in Bangladesh, 81 percent.
    There is no cherry picking here, the amount of evidence proving you wrong simply is overwhelming. Again, these discussions are taking place. That you don't see them is your problem.

    Sound sort of like the people that suggest that terrorist acts are actually representative of ALL Muslims?

    And no...I don't frequent Muslim homes. I doubt you have either. I did spend 4 years in 7 countries throughout the ME and can honestly say that open condemnation of Fundamentalist extremists was never EVER on display.
    Lmao, considering I've got a myriad of friends who are Muslims, you're simply wrong as you were before.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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