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PoS said:
Plenty. Troops in Saudi Arabia, Somalia and meddling in other places like Iraq, we've been doing it for years and a backlash was coming.


Really? So youre saying its okay to bash and discriminate against Muslims then? Funny, when someone is racist towards Jews they are called anti-Semitic but being racist towards Muslims is OK in your books. :roll:
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Our troops were in Saudi Arabia by invitation, or should we have just let Hussein invade Saudi Arabia?

Islam is a religion, period. There's no debate.
 
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rocket88 said:
Sure, but in the meantime, what's the plan? Who do we support without running afoul of our own laws?
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We cannot tip over our core beliefs because of any men claiming any gods name become violent. First it must be called out for what it is and not castrate language for political correctness sake. Second, the continued identification, apprehension and/or killing of those who wish to commit acts of terrorism of any kind must be stepped up. Third, in the meantime, as I stated, nations need to work with Islamic leaders to rout out extremists, extremist thought and action.

As an illustration: The Islamic "no-go" areas around France were, in hindsight, a very bad idea.
 
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Ockham said:
Who gave you the power to remove them from Islam? They believe they are part of the Muslim faith - they get support from somewhere.


Your own link identifies Islamic terrorists - Groups claiming to be Muslims. 98% is the number, not zero.
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Your question: "Of all the 2014 terrorist acts committed world wide - what % do you think were part of the Muslim faith?" is the question I answered, not the one you seem to think you posted.

No one is denying that these murderers claim to be observant Muslims, though many very knowledgeable Muslims are saying the terrorists are not following the Q'aran but instead relying upon poor interpretations of hadith in their justifications.

So, to answer your original question - the answer is ZERO.
 
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Somerville said:
Your question: "Of all the 2014 terrorist acts committed world wide - what % do you think were part of the Muslim faith?" is the question I answered, not the one you seem to think you posted.

No one is denying that these murderers claim to be observant Muslims, though many very knowledgeable Muslims are saying the terrorists are not following the Q'aran but instead relying upon poor interpretations of hadith in their justifications.

So, to answer your original question - the answer is ZERO.
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Congratulations on your denial of reality.
 
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Ockham said:
We cannot tip over our core beliefs because of any men claiming any gods name become violent. First it must be called out for what it is and not castrate language for political correctness sake. Second, the continued identification, apprehension and/or killing of those who wish to commit acts of terrorism of any kind must be stepped up. Third, in the meantime, as I stated, nations need to work with Islamic leaders to rout out extremists, extremist thought and action.

As an illustration: The Islamic "no-go" areas around France were, in hindsight, a very bad idea.
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What "no-go" areas in France? Where did you get your information?
 
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Somerville said:
I'm denying reality?!!??
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Yes. Stating you consider zero as the correct number.
 
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rocket88 said:
The precarious position that the Saudis are in has always been one of the hardest rocks internationally. Saudi power would not last such a war, their own people would get rid of them. We both know that they're between a rock and hard place when it comes to this. The downfall of the Saudis would be a disaster as far as US foreign policy over the last 30-40 years is concerned.
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It's easy to say their hands are tied, but they aren't in fact. I think they would get huge support if they frame their effort properly. They first have to paint the opposition as non-Muslims....in fact these people would be labeled heretics to the faith.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Foxs' "turrurism expurt".
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Actually, directly from the French government, as one with eyes and an ability to read would've discovered by reading previous posts. That you claim to be an eggspurt yourself is not questioned. You're definitely an eggspurt.
 
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shrubnose said:
Don't hold your breath while you're waiting. :roll:

IOW: I don't have time to waste on you.
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In other words you were using a bogus moral equivalency to try and support your point and can't admit it. Thanks for playing.
 
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Hatuey said:
Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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Man bites dog story. The reason it's news is that Muslims are generally rejoicing at the deaths of Jews. The exception that proves the rule.
 
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Kobie said:
Islam is not the only religion to be exemplified by its extremists; however, it certain is right now. Which is why nobody is denying that fundamentalism is a problem.
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Please provide evidence that any other religion has fundamentalists as violent and numerous as Islam. "Fundamentalism" isn't the problem in the modern world. The fundamentalists that want to kill people who don't believe as they do are the problem. In the modern world that is Islamic Fundamentalists in a vast majority.
 
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Wiggen said:
Man bites dog story. The reason it's news is that Muslims are generally rejoicing at the deaths of Jews. The exception that proves the rule.
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what I find even more fascinating was "did he even know they were Jewish?" in that panic.. he may have thought they were Christian or Muslim.. who knows...did he ask " hey are you jewish, ok well Im ok with that and I LOVE JEWS, let me help you to safety"...

this may be a non story of people running around in a panic.. I think the Jewish people more want this to be true and hope that the knew he was helping Jews...
 
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jmotivator said:
Please provide evidence that any other religion has fundamentalists as violent and numerous as Islam. "Fundamentalism" isn't the problem in the modern world. The fundamentalists that want to kill people who don't believe as they do are the problem. In the modern world that is Islamic Fundamentalists in a vast majority.
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well said.. and you are correct J...

when I see the Muslim world denounce Terrorism and reform, like Germany did against the Nazis.. then I will know we all have a chance..

but I will bet not one Muslim country will..because Islam is a politcal movement for world domination
 
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Hatuey said:
Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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so your premise is "fiction"... he was "not helping Jews per se".., but helping "random people and himself in a panic"

is your point that your surprised he didnt "out the Jews to be killed and hence a "hero""...?

sounds to me like the nice Jewish people that owned the store hired this muslim fellow and he was just a decent person..and the Jewish owners are the ones that were working for unity... I wonder how many Jews work in the Muslim groceries? cough..
 
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Travis007 said:
so your premise is "fiction"... he was "not helping Jews per se.., but helping "random people and himself in a panic"
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Public education in an inner city is the only way to explain how you got this out of my post.
 
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Travis007 said:
well said.. and you are correct J...

when I see the Muslim world denounce Terrorism and reform, like Germany did against the Nazis.. then I will know we all have a chance..

but I will bet not one Muslim country will..because Islam is a politcal movement for world domination
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And that is what so many fail to see. Even with the peaceful Muslim the goal is world domination. The peaceful Muslims still believe that one day Islam will rule the world, they just disagree with ISIS on the how. Where Jesus taught a version of separation of Church and State, Muhammad taught no such separation. Islam is as much a political and social movement as it is a religion
 
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Hatuey said:
Public education in an inner city is the only way to explain how you got this out of my post.
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your trolling and personal attack is fruitless..

I am not an Obama voter..or a Democrat
 
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jmotivator said:
And that is what so many fail to see. Even with the peaceful Muslim the goal is world domination. The peaceful Muslims still believe that one day Islam will rule the world, they just disagree with ISIS on the how. Where Jesus taught a version of separation of Church and State, Muhammad taught no such separation. Islam is as much a political and social movement as it is a religion
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Thank you J.. and you are spot on and well said..

but look there are only around 50 million Musllims that "are radical" so whats the problem : )
 
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humbolt said:
Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles (Zus)
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Oh no, you have taken to heart what some right wing blogs - and FauxNews too - have to say of France's urban renewal plans, that they are actually supposed to be neighbourhoods that aren't patrolled by the police. In the past week, here in America, the nutjobs are claiming Dearborn, Michigan has become a "no-go" zone for non-Muslims which is funny because a large percentage of Dearborn's Arab population is Chaldean Christian.
 
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Travis007 said:
well said.. and you are correct J...

when I see the Muslim world denounce Terrorism and reform, like Germany did against the Nazis.. then I will know we all have a chance..

but I will bet not one Muslim country will..because Islam is a politcal movement for world domination
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As Reza Aslan said on Meet the Press, anyone who says something like this obviously doesn't know to use Google - no I won't do it for anyone, do it yourself or simply admit you fear the truth.
 
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