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Hatuey said:
It seems that for you no matter is what is posted, you'll continue to lie about what is being posted for nefarious purposes. The condemnation of terrorism by Muslim groups, the fatwas against terrorism, the conferences on the matter, the polls on the issue simply prove you wrong. Your claim was that Muslims weren't having these discussions, I showed otherwise. There are many Muslims both prominent and non-prominent discussing this issue. There are a myriad of organizations giving out their opinions on the matter. There have been many conferences on this issue throughout the Muslim world. There are marches being held and even social networking movements on the issue (See: #NotInMyName). I posted this information in various links and you continued to perpetuate the lie that Muslims aren't having these discussions. There is nothing else I can do for someone who has been caught blatantly lying about my posts. :)
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No one is saying that zero muslims are condemning terrorism. The issue is that there are 1 billion muslims on this planet, 1 BILLION, and we rarely ever hear of mass condemnation of terrorism. With 1 billion muslims out there, there should be about 999,910,000 muslim people condemning these terrorist acts, rather than like 100 we've heard from in the past.
 
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11Bravo said:
No one is saying that zero muslims are condemning terrorism. The issue is that there are 1 billion muslims on this planet, 1 BILLION, and we rarely ever hear of mass condemnation of terrorism. With 1 billion muslims out there, there should be about 999,910,000 muslim people condemning these terrorist acts, rather than like 100 we've heard from in the past.
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Ignoring the evidence posted in this thread simply is nonsensical. Are 99% of Christians coming out to demonstrate against the Catholic priests who abused children? No? Then why is there some sort of fallacious standard of evidence that just as many Muslims should come out in a march against it? Get serious. The evidence points to the fact that the majority of Muslims are opposed to this, the evidence shows that Muslims are having these conversations about terrorism and the overwhelming majority condemn it. Claiming otherwise because "999,910,000" million people aren't posting online about condemning these attacks is pretty ridiculous.
 
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Hatuey said:
I agree, you should stop it. It's pretty sad when you take one section of my post and then try to make it out to be a statement on "all muslims" like you did.
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Now that's a strawman argument.
 
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Hatuey said:
Ignoring the evidence posted in this thread simply is nonsensical. Are 99% of Christians coming out to demonstrate against the Catholic priests who abused children? No? Then why is there some sort of fallacious standard of evidence that just as many Muslims should come out in a march against it? Get serious. The evidence points to the fact that the majority of Muslims are opposed to this, the evidence shows that Muslims are having these conversations about terrorism and the overwhelming majority condemn it. Claiming otherwise because "999,910,000" million people aren't posting online about condemning these attacks is pretty ridiculous.
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Strawman argument, but I saw it coming. I ignored no "evidence". I clicked on your hilariously bias links. Also, 20 priests touching children and going to prison for it, is a little different then people blowing themselves up in a crowded market in the name of "allah".
 
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Kobie said:
So fundamentalism ISN'T the problem? Of course it is. THAT'S MY POINT.
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Your point, is to make excuses.
 
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11Bravo said:
Strawman argument, but I saw it coming. I ignored no "evidence". I clicked on your hilariously bias links. Also, 20 priests touching children and going to prison for it, is a little different then people blowing themselves up in a crowded market in the name of "allah".
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Downplaying (see "20 priests" when it's more like 6,000), complete avoidance of the argument (by ignoring that the question was whether Christians should be asked to march en masse), and general ignorance of the evidence posted (by ignoring that there have been a myriad of conferences, fatwas, marches etc issued). Well, I'm not shocked at all.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Continuing the strawman argument.
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Ignoring that second paragraph about "all Muslims"? Good.
 
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Hatuey said:
Downplaying, complete avoidance of the argument, and general ignorance of the evidence posted. Well, I'm not shocked at all.
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I posted the Facts of the argument. You posted a couple dozen people condemning the terrorists. Still about 999,991,000 muslims remaining silent. That FACT defeats your argument.
 
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Hatuey said:
Still lying? I posted examples of Muslims discussing this issue, before and after the facts, which is what you seem to claim is not happening. The fact that many of those Muslims are prominent organizations within the Muslim world debunks your assertion that:



Specially given the fact that there aren't even that many "Muslim" people on American television to begin with (as my links show). These conversations are taking place in the Muslim world as proven by the large amount of links I've provided throughout the thread. The condemnations are happening in the Muslim world. As I've already proven. Continuing to claim otherwise is pretty nonsensical at this point.
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:lamo You are doing more of that silly **** you do where you try to tailor an argument to fit your points. It doesnt work. I have said (and was in fact the first to point it out) that the leader of the largest Mosque in France spoke out against the attack in France. I said that it was to be commended. I also said offerings of platitudes after the fact are not what is needed and that what is needed is full time active efforts against fundamentalist extremists by 'mainstream' Muslims. Chiming in after dead bodies litter the street does nothing. Cutting off their funding, reporting extremist behaviors, denying them shelter and safe haven, those things will have an effect. Standing up later and saying "well...gawrsh...we just feel HORRIBLE about all of this" is impotent and useless. Offering that as 'evidence' is pathetic.

“This is a thunderous declaration of war. The times have changed. We’re entering a new phase of this confrontation… we are horrified by the brutality and the savagery.”
So WTF does that even MEAN? When someone declares war, is the response a hashtag selfie?

If Muslims were serious about combating fundamentalism, they would be unifying military action against the Taliban, not allowing them to hide out in their countries. Where is the Arab League on that?

Bull**** platitudes. Yeah...they made a statement. They showed how outraged they are. They sent a hashtag bomb.
 
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11Bravo said:
I posted the Facts of the argument.
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No you didn't. You actually avoided the facts. Your role in this thread has been to simply downplay what is actually happening.

You posted a couple dozen people condemning the terrorists. Still about 999,991,000 muslims remaining silent. That FACT defeats your argument.
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I posted hundreds of links showing hundreds of organizations, countries, scholars, clerics, (representing millions of Muslims, each) attacking terrorism. That you continue to make the unproven assertions above is pretty indicative of just how much substance you have.
 
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Hatuey said:
No you didn't. You actually avoided the facts. Your role in this thread has been to simply downplay what is actually happening.



I posted hundreds of links showing hundreds of organizations, countries, scholars, clerics, (representing millions of Muslims, each) attacking terrorism. That you continue to make the unproven assertions above is pretty indicative of just how much substance you have.
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Yes, your links are about a few journalists who are condemning terrorism. Hundreds of millions of muslims, meanwhile, are not.
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo You are doing more of that silly **** you do where you try to talior an argument to fit your points.
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I tailored nothing. I addressed your statements and showed why they were wrong. Then you started lying about what I had actually posted. See: 45 tweets. If you're going to continue to lie about the evidence being posted while posting links about terrorism - which no one has disputed happens - that's your problem. The average Muslim doesn't have the power to cut off funding to a terrorist organization, deny them shelter or for that matter etc - so why you'd ask that they do that is pretty silly. Your claim was that Muslims weren't having these discussions daily and they aren't condemning. The fact of the matter is that they are and that is proven by the immense amount of evidence showing as much. That you are now trying to distance yourself from these words by more or less stating "Well, it's not good enough that they're condemning it!" (this isn't an actual quote, it's a paraphrasing of your collective statements.) just shows how dishonest you've been throughout the thread.
 
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11Bravo said:
Yes, your links are about a few journalists who are condemning terrorism. Hundreds of millions of muslims, meanwhile, are not.
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Doubling down on the lies? CAIR is a journalist? The hundreds of organizations condemning terrorism worldwide are "journalists"? Lol. You're not really helping yourself with the lies.
 
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Wow cool! 600 people, who aren't even all muslims, are condemning terrorism.

Meanwhile Hundreds of millions of muslims aren't.
 
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11Bravo said:
Wow cool! 600 people, who aren't even all muslims, are condemning terrorism.
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Continuing to lie about what is being posted? It's not helping you. VanceMack stop lying about his claims, you really should do the same.
 
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Hatuey said:
Continuing to lie about what is being posted? It's not helping you. VanceMack stop lying about his claims, you really should do the same.
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Ok, answer me this:

Of the 1 billion muslims on this planet, how many are condemning the violence in total?

Simple question, post the number, based on your sources.
 
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11Bravo said:
Ok, answer me this:

Of the 1 billion muslims on this planet, how many are condemning the violence in total?
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The overwhelming majority. Post #10 is a good place to start on gathering the evidence proving that. :)
 
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Hatuey said:
I tailored nothing. I addressed your statements and showed why they were wrong. Then you started lying about what I had actually posted. See: 45 tweets. If you're going to continue to lie about the evidence being posted while posting links about terrorism - which no one has disputed happens - that's your problem. The average Muslim doesn't have the power to cut off funding to a terrorist organization, deny them shelter or for that matter etc - so why you'd ask that they do that is pretty silly. Your claim was that Muslims weren't having these discussions daily and they aren't condemning. The fact of the matter is that they are and that is proven by the immense amount of evidence showing as much. That you are now trying to distance yourself from these words by more or less stating "Well, it's not good enough that they're condemning it!" (this isn't an actual quote, it's a paraphrasing of your collective statements.) just shows how dishonest you've been throughout the thread.
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Sorry...but if your position is that I claim no Muslim ever comment, then you are obviously lying and the lie is proven inn this thread alone, let alone the many others that are ongoing about this topic.

"What this individual did is heroic. He should be celebrated as a hero. There are in fact individuals within the Muslim communities that speak out, always after the tragedies."

"In fairness, the head of the largest Mosque and leader of a large group of Muslims in France immediately condemned the act and the perpetrators as cowards. But...I agree it should be more. Not only should there be the occasional voice expressing outrage. Across Europe, moderate Muslims should be demanding of the Muslim population that they be 'intolerant' of fundamentalists. That they be the ones taking the lead in rooting them out, exposing them, ensuring they have no safe haven."

So stop lying.

I readily acknowledged long before you posted this thread that Muslims spoke out against it. After the fact. And thats the problem. Muslim fundamentalist terrorism is not some new concept. Its been going on for centuries. It began in earnest in the 70's. There were 8500 terrorist attacks in 2013 alone...over 23 terrorist attacks EVERY DAY. There needs to be more than hashtags and selfies and impotent expressions of 'outrage'.
 
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So one decent guy wipes out all the acts of all the bad ones. Please.
 
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Hatuey said:
The overwhelming majority. Post #10 is a good place to start on gathering the evidence proving that. :)
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So, you are refusing to answer my question?
 
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VanceMack said:
Sorry...but if your position is that I claim no Muslim ever comment,
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Still lying about my statements? Good, you're not deviating from your only strategy in this thread. You stated that these discussions aren't happening, I showed a myriad of examples showing they were. Trying to twist your position to claim I'm making "a strawman" is pretty silly. You claimed that these discussions weren't happening as they should, I showed otherwise. The Muslim world discusses these issues daily through conferences, fatwas, discussion panels journalism, etc. That you aren't aware of it because well... you're simply ignorant is your problem. These discussions are happening through and through the Muslim world. They're happening in various languages: Arabic, English, French, Pashtu, Urdu etc. They're happening in various countries: Pakistan, Singapore, Bangladesh, etc. They're happening across all sections of the Muslim world: From the academic elite, to the organization, to the individual. Continuing to double down that it's not happening because you don't see it is your problem. You've demonstrated over and over again that you're more comfortable lying about what others have posted (See: 45 tweets) and dismissing all evidence which shows you to be wrong by refuting it with the asinine contention that people are blaming the West when they address your lies.
 
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11Bravo said:
So, you are refusing to answer my question?
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The answers are in post #10. Do you see why it has been pointed out that you've ignored the evidence?
 
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