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VanceMack said:
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Read your own 'evidence'. Hell no, man...I didnt get past the first cited link. That "45 examples" was sheer comedy gold. 45 tweets, one paragraph statements, and a whole bunch of bull**** platitudes. On the plus side, you did literally give me cause to laugh...seriously...laugh out loud.

:lamo
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Continuing to lie won't help your case VanceMack. The fact that you think these could have been "45 tweets" is pretty telling. Are you usually this dishonest?
 
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Hatuey said:
Continuing to lie won't help your case. :)
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Thank you. :2razz:

This would be relevant if my claim was that "all Muslims" do this and that. Now move along. We've no time for your silly M/E arguments. :shrug:
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How is this an M/E argument if it doesn't relate to the Mideast?
You're just full of surprises with all of these ignorant statements.

Good, then what is your issue?
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Already stated it countless of times by now.
Your OP gave an example of a Muslim being heroic and then played on that example to generalize and to claim that it proves "Muslims aren't pro-terror" or whatever. That was wrong on your side, you cannot generalize an entire group of people based on the actions of a few, and that is all there is to it really.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Thank you. :2razz:

How is this an M/E argument if it doesn't relate to the Mideast?
You're just full of surprises with all of these ignorant statements.

Already stated it countless of times by now.
Your OP gave an example of a Muslim being heroic and then played on that example to generalize and to claim that it proves "Muslims aren't pro-terror" or whatever. That was wrong on your side, and that is all there is to it really.
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Only it didn't. It also provided other examples, like those Muslims who helped during 9/11, the Boston bombing etc. The fact that I even went as far as showing the hundreds upon hundreds of other examples showing Muslim organizations standing against terrorism shows how much of a lie your entire purpose for being in this thread has been. The fact that you've dropped your strawman about "all Muslims" is even more significant. However, as I've said, continuing to lie won't help your case.
 
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Henry David said:
What do they really mean by "Onward, Christian Soldiers"?
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If it were written at any time recently, it might matter, but that isn't the case.
 
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lizzie said:
If it were written at any time recently, it might matter, but that isn't the case.
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When they sing it in a church or other setting today, what does it mean, what does it inspire?
 
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Hatuey said:
Continuing to lie won't help your case VanceMack. The fact that you think these could have been "45 tweets" is pretty telling. Are you usually this dishonest?
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28-45....all the same.

34. Arsh Mirzary

As a Muslim I apologize to the community for the Paris terrorist attack. But it was an act of few individuals not the Muslim community

— Arsh Mirza (@ArshMirza2) January 7, 2015

The rest are all a bunch of platitudes.

MEANWHILE...there are more terrorist attacks than exprressions of 'outrage'.

Washington (CNN) – As terrorism increasingly becomes a tactic of warfare, the number of attacks and fatalities soared to a record high in 2012, according to a new report obtained exclusively by CNN.

More than 8,500 terrorist attacks killed nearly 15,500 people last year as violence tore through Africa, Asia and the Middle East, according to the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism.

That’s a 69% rise in attacks and an 89% jump in fatalities from 2011, said START, one of the world’s leading terrorism-trackers.

Six of the seven most deadly groups are affiliated with al Qaeda, according to START, and most of the violence was committed in Muslim-majority countries.

The previous record for attacks was set in 2011 with more than 5,000 incidents; for fatalities the previous high was 2007 with more than 12,800 deaths.

Terrorist attacks and deaths hit record high, report shows – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

You like hashtags? #getthe****outtaherewiththatweakassbull****
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo

Read your own 'evidence'. Hell no, man...I didnt get past the first cited link. That "45 examples" was sheer comedy gold. 45 tweets, one paragraph statements, and a whole bunch of bull**** platitudes. On the plus side, you did literally give me cause to laugh...seriously...laugh out loud.

:lamo
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It is pretty funny. The very first of the 45 tweets was from CAIR, an un-indicted co-conspirator in providing funding for arms to Hamas, according to Justice and the FBI. So they condemn the very crap they fund. Misleading some people is very easy.
 
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VanceMack said:
28-45....all the same.
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The fact that you had scroll more than halfway through the page to find examples of prominent and non-prominent Muslim individuals having these discussions to try and "prove" that Muslims weren't having these discussions is pretty funny. As I've said, continuing to lie is really not helping you.
 
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Hatuey said:
Only it didn't. It also provided other examples, like those Muslims who helped during 9/11, the Boston bombing etc. The fact that I even went as far as showing the hundreds upon hundreds of other examples showing Muslim organizations standing against terrorism shows how much of a lie your entire purpose for being in this thread has been. The fact that you've dropped your strawman about "all Muslims" is even more significant. However, as I've said, continuing to lie won't help your case.
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These examples are just examples and that was no strawman on my side since I've quoted your words directly.
If someone generalized and claimed that all of the Finnish can touch their noses with their tongues and gave thousands of examples of Finnish people who can that wouldn't make his statement correct, no matter how many times he'd call those who oppose him "liars". Seriously, you should consider that.
 
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humbolt said:
It is pretty funny. The very first of the 45 tweets was from CAIR, an un-indicted co-conspirator in providing funding for arms to Hamas, according to Justice and the FBI. So they condemn the very crap they fund. Misleading some people is very easy.
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When I saw what was represented as real acts of Muslim outrage, I was grateful. Grateful I wasnt holding a coffee cup.
 
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Apocalypse said:
These examples are just examples and that was no strawman on my side since I've quoted your words directly.
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Perpetuating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. You lied about my posts and tried to make a claim out of them that I never did. Typical for a M/E dweller.
 
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Hatuey said:
Perpetuating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. You lied about my posts and tried to make a claim out of them that I never did.
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I was referring to the clear generalization your post was committing by giving an example of a Muslim being heroic and implying that means "Muslims" aren't standing idly by to terrorism. "Muslims" being the generalizing term here.

Typical for a M/E dweller.
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Now you see that too is a generalization.
We've practically proven by now that you're keen on making generalizations no less than those you oppose.
 
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Henry David said:
When they sing it in a church or other setting today, what does it mean, what does it inspire?
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For the most part, hymns are old, and they are sung due to tradition. They dont mean anything. I have no idea if you have real life exposure, but it is quite easy to verify that this is the case. Go to a protestant church, then come back and tell us how much they discussed holy war. It doesnt happen.
 
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Hatuey said:
The fact that you had scroll more than halfway through the page to find examples of prominent and non-prominent Muslim individuals having these discussions to try and "prove" that Muslims weren't having these discussions is pretty funny. As I've said, continuing to lie is really not helping you.
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The fact that I bothered to READ what you posted means two things. 1, that particular offering was the easist to copy and paste in derision of that pathetic citation and 2, it represented 3 wasted minutes of my life that I will never, ever get back.

7. Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association:“The sanctity of human life is central to our faith. That lives could taken in this manner for any cause is appalling and unjustifiable.”

4. French Muslim Council (CFCM): “This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press.” It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”

Its cute that these 'outraged' people offer theirtexts and tweets, but considering the number of MUslims killing in the name of Allah and their belief, the evidence is pretty solid that its time to abandon the ridiculous notion that this is all just a tiny smattering of people and not representative of Muslims.

Mind you...THESE are cited as examples of Muslim OUTRAGE. Excerpts of platitudes offered after the fact. Nothing before...and when the last shell casing is cleared...nothing after.

Meanwhile...

"In January, Sunni suicide bombers attacked scores of Shiite pilgrims in Iraq, killing at least 73. In February, a car bomb outside a café in Mogadishu, Somalia, left 15 dead. In March, a bombing in Thailand killed 14 and injured 340 in a commercial district."

"This year is expected to outpace even 2012’s record high. There were 5,100 attacks in the first six months of 2013, said Gary LaFree, START’s director, and the wave of violence shows few signs of ebbing.

In recent weeks, Al-Shabaab, a militant group based in Somalia, attacked a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, leaving 67 dead; suicide bombers killed 81 at a church in Pakistan; and the Taliban took credit for killing two police officers with a car bomb in Afghanistan."

And now this gem.

"The Global Terrorism Database has recorded terror attacks across the world - with data from 1970 covering up to the end of 2011. It's a huge dataset: over 104,000 attacks, including around 2,600 in the US - and its collection is funded by an agency of the US government: the Science and Technology Directorate of the US Department of Homeland Security through a Center of Excellence program based at the University of Maryland."

Four decades of US terror attacks listed and detailed | News | The Guardian
 
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Apocalypse said:
I was referring to the clear generalization your post was committing by giving an example of a Muslim being heroic and implying that means "Muslims" aren't standing idly by to terrorism.
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Quadrupling down on a straw man? Now it's just silly.
 
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VanceMack said:
The fact that I bothered to RAED what you posted means two things. 1, that particular offering was the easist to copy and paste in derision of that pathetic citation and 2, it represented 3 wasted minutes of my life that I will never, ever get back.
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Continuing to lie about what was actually posted is pretty sad. Tell us again how you "raed" "45 tweets" out my links. It's pretty obvious now that you lied and misrepresented my links because they directly refuted your statements. Muslims are having these discussions and the majority are opposed to terrorism as evidenced by statistical evidence. Continuing to claim otherwise at this point by showing that terrorist attacks happen is just desperation.
 
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Hatuey said:
Quadrupling down on a straw man? Now it's just silly.
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Hilarious.
 
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lizzie said:
For the most part, hymns are old, and they are sung due to tradition. They dont mean anything. I have no idea if you have real life exposure, but it is quite easy to verify that this is the case. Go to a protestant church, then come back and tell us how much they discussed holy war. It doesnt happen.
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I would suggest to you that words actually DO mean something when they are spoken or sung by humans assembled. Perhaps subliminal, but they do mean something. That is, subliminal, subconscious or otherwise, they have an effect on the humans participating or present.

But certainly your point that churches do not discuss holy war is very accurate I suspect. Not counting the small incident at the USAF Academy a few years back.

But as to civilian churches, I'm sure the subject of holy war is never discussed. But I wonder if it is ever condemned in US churches?

I wonder how many US churches have spoken from the pulpit against torture? Is a failure to condemn tantamount to condoning any given action?
 
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Apocalypse said:
Hilarious.
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I agree, you should stop it. It's pretty sad when you take one section of my post and then try to make it out to be a statement on "all muslims" like you did.
 
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Hatuey said:
Continuing to lie about what was actually posted is pretty sad. Tell us again how you "raed" "45 tweets" out my links. It's pretty obvious now that you lied and misrepresented my links because they directly refuted your statements. Muslims are having these discussions and the majority are opposed to terrorism as evidenced by statistical evidence. Continuing to claim otherwise at this point by showing that terrorist attacks happen is just desperation.
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ANyone can look at that link and see 45 weak ass examples of platitudes seized on by people like you to show how much, golly, Muslims are really really really really really really really outraged. Really. Superserious.

They dont need my response to your weak ass citation. Hell...I ENCOURAGE them...read it for themselves and see what a joke it is.

Its funny watching you. You were doing fine digging yourself a whole but figured..."hey...**** it...a steamshovel...man, that will get me there faster!!!"

45 Examples of Muslim Outrage About Charlie Hebdo Attack That Fox News Missed | Alternet

No...really. Please...read the 'outrage'.
 
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VanceMack said:
ANyone can look at that link and see 45 weak ass examples of platitudes seized on by people like you to show how much, golly, Muslims are really really really really really really really outraged. Really. Superserious.
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It seems that for you no matter is what is posted, you'll continue to lie about what is being posted for nefarious purposes. The condemnation of terrorism by Muslim groups, the fatwas against terrorism, the conferences on the matter, the polls on the issue simply prove you wrong. Your claim was that Muslims weren't having these discussions, I showed otherwise. There are many Muslims both prominent and non-prominent discussing this issue. There are a myriad of organizations giving out their opinions on the matter. There have been many conferences on this issue throughout the Muslim world. There are marches being held and even social networking movements on the issue (See: #NotInMyName). I posted this information in various links and you continued to perpetuate the lie that Muslims aren't having these discussions. There is nothing else I can do for someone who has been caught blatantly lying about my posts. :)
 
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Henry David said:
I would suggest to you that words actually DO mean something when they are spoken or sung by humans assembled. Perhaps subliminal, but they do mean something. That is, subliminal, subconscious or otherwise, they have an effect on the humans participating or present.

But certainly your point that churches do not discuss holy war is very accurate I suspect. Not counting the small incident at the USAF Academy a few years back.

But as to civilian churches, I'm sure the subject of holy war is never discussed. But I wonder if it is ever condemned in US churches?

I wonder how many US churches have spoken from the pulpit against torture? Is a failure to condemn tantamount to condoning any given action?
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In my experience, and based on what I know through friends and family who are religious, churches dont address political issues, which is not surprising. The vast majority of churches in this country exist to provide religious service, as it applies to the inner spiritual needs of the individual.
The days of Christian holy wars are long gone, as "the church" has been integrated into western democratic society as a whole.

And no. Churches should not be getting involved in war or politics at any level. Separation of church and state is desirable.
 
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Hatuey said:
It seems that for you no matter is what is posted, you'll continue to lie about what is being posted for nefarious purposes. The condemnation of terrorism by Muslim groups, the fatwas against terrorism, the conferences on the matter, the polls on the issue simply prove you wrong. Your claim was that Muslims weren't having these discussions, I showed otherwise. There are many Muslims both prominent and non-prominent discussing this issue. There are a myriad of organizations giving out their opinions on the matter. There have been many conferences on this issue throughout the Muslim world. There are marches being held and even social networking movements on the issue (See: #NotInMyName). I posted this information in various links and you continued to perpetuate the lie that Muslims aren't having these discussions. There is nothing else I can do for someone who has been caught blatantly lying about my posts. :)
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It seems to me that no matter what you will cling to the fact that you posted a goofy article from an obviously slanted website claiming 45 separate examples of 'outrage' which accounted to nothing more than a few tweets and some empty political statements as 'evidence' of outrage from the Muslim world. I get that you dont like having the content of YOUR link exposed, but its rather disingenuous of you to claim that my offering the ACTUAL content from the site, and hey...what the heck...even repeating YOUR link for others to read in case they missed it, as being a 'lie'.

You ****ed up. Your **** bomb blew up in your face. Rather than continue to try and excuse it...just wash it off already.
 
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VanceMack said:
It seems to me that no matter what you will cling to the fact that you posted a goofy article from an obviously slanted website claiming 45 separate examples of 'outrage' which accounted to nothing more than a few tweets and some empty political statements as 'evidence' of outrage from the Muslim world.
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Still lying? I posted examples of Muslims discussing this issue, before and after the facts, which is what you seem to claim is not happening. The fact that many of those Muslims are prominent organizations within the Muslim world debunks your assertion that:

You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem.
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Specially given the fact that there aren't even that many "Muslim" people on American television to begin with (as my links show). These conversations are taking place in the Muslim world as proven by the large amount of links I've provided throughout the thread. The condemnations are happening in the Muslim world. As I've already proven. Continuing to claim otherwise is pretty nonsensical at this point.
 
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