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Hatuey said:
Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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Hatuey, you're just at fault here for generalization as those who claim all Muslims are terrorists because of the actions of some Muslims.
Sure this person who saved lives in the Jewish supermarket is a hero just as much as the Muslim police officer who was brutally executed while on duty at the Charlie Hebdo offices - but that says nothing about Muslims in general, just like the actions of the thugs doesn't say anything about the general world's population of Muslims.
One can never take a single person and reflect his values on an entire community he belongs to, and it doesn't matter if the reflected values are positive values or negative values. That's generalization, and generalization is always
 
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cpwill said:
A different section than that which you bolded caught my eye:



"Muslim support for terror" is broadly assent through silence. You do get excellent counter-examples (personally, I'm interested in seeing what comes of el-Sisi's recent public moves).

However, you also have a strong paranoia/us-v-them/legitimacy-through-the-group mentality that enables the extremists. Non-Muslim westerners who have little idea what they are talking about like to say that fundamentalism is a "perversion" is Islam. It's not.
It's a legitimate reading of the texts,
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with a jurisprudential history a mile long. When the group who are most likely to support/enable extremists overlaps with those who are also most likely to enjoy the respect of an enclave-like community and the alien society they find themselves surrounded in legitimizes those individuals as well in order to reach "authentic local leadership" :shrug: the conditions are set for a determined minority to be enabled by a silent majority who may personally disagree, but who either aren't willing to challenge the leadership or who prefer to deal with the cognitive dissonance by seeking consolation in conspiracy theories which redeem the group. For young males raised to think of themselves as an angry, put-down "other" in an alien society, extremism also offers self-affirmation, purpose, identity, meaning, respect, and plus you look like a bad-ass on facebook.

That is the importance of the killing of the Muslim cop. Killing other Muslims is a big ideological entry-barrier for the general Muslim community (if not, unfortunately, often the critical demographic described above).
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Read the Bible's Old Testament, which a few evangelicals on the far-right would like to see become U.S. law and tell us what you think. :roll:
 
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apdst said:
One guy?
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How many people did it take to start the Christian religion? :roll:

Fill us in.




"The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached -- and against which he taught his disciples to fight." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
 
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Monte said:
I don't watch Fox. In fact, I have never watched it. Maybe I should get cable and watch it.

Why is their such continuous hate for Fox News?
Isn't it the most popular news source in the USA?
IMO: If you don't like it, you shouldn't watch it! Seems pretty simple!

I do go to their website for news. I also go to CNN, MSN, Townhall, etc.
Also, if you visit Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos, their website, and do a quick search you will find several articles on Muslims, including Hamas, condemning the attacks.

However, I am reading that Hamas is just pissed because they don't like other Islamic terrorist groups getting all of the publicity and "glory".
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And that is exactly why I dont bother with Fox News because that claim is a lie.

A statement in French said Hamas "condemns the attack against Charlie Hebdo magazine and insists on the fact that differences of opinion and thought cannot justify murder."
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apdst said:
I know how Google works.

Here, let me Google something for you:

Lip service - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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So no such thing as a good Muslim in your view, eh? OK. :roll:
 
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PoS said:
And that is exactly why I dont bother with Fox News because that claim is a lie.
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First of all that claim isn't from FOX News.

Secondly, you claim that Monte's statement is a lie because Hamas claims something else, you take the words of the same kind of terrorists that committed the atrocities in Paris over those of Western newspapers and that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about these papers.
 
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Apocalypse said:
First of all that claim isn't from FOX News.

Secondly, you claim that Monte's statement is a lie because Hamas claims something else, you take the words of the same kind of terrorists that committed the atrocities in Paris over those of Western newspapers and that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about these papers.
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Thats his quote so I am refuting his statement.

And secondly Hamas and Hezbollah are at war with Isreal because of the latter's illegal occupation. And Isreal has killed far more innocents in the last war than Hamas has so its not Hamas who are the coldblooded ones.
 
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PoS said:
Thats his quote so I am refuting his statement.
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You were trying to refute his statement by quoting the official of Hamas as if his denial means anything.
You were relying on the words of terrorists.

And secondly Hamas and Hezbollah are at war with Isreal because of the latter's illegal occupation. And Isreal has killed far more innocents in the last war than Hamas has so its not Hamas who are the coldblooded ones.
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That you do not believe terrorism that is targeting Jewish innocents is wrong and as such do not refer to the vile actions of Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorism is well known, but that is merely due to your sickening ideology and nothing more. Do not confuse your radical beliefs with that of the Western world, you may only convince yourself by denying that Hamas and Hezbollah's actions are terrorism. And it's Israel, not Isreal.
 
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VanceMack said:
I wonder if you can see how ridiculous you come across. You cherry pick a few examples of the BILLIONS of Muslims and claim it's happening EVERYWHERE. Sound familiar? Sound sort of like the people that suggest that terrorist acts are actually representative of ALL Muslims?

And no...I don't frequent Muslim homes. I doubt you have either. I did spend 4 years in 7 countries throughout the ME and can honestly say that open condemnation of Fundamentalist extremists was never EVER on display.
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I'm a conservative, and a Christian and I believe even if Muslims did speak out( which they do, I don't know why people say they don't) that still wouldn't stop the crazies from killing. You can't reason with crazy!!
 
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shrubnose said:
Read the Bible's Old Testament, which a few evangelicals on the far-right would like to see become U.S. law and tell us what you think. :roll:
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Any links?? And what constitutes a few, about as many Muslims who speak out against radical Islam?

Out of well over a billion and half Muslims I'm really not hearing the cry against radicalism. Do some? Yes, but surely more should and could but I believe many are actually afraid of speaking out and possibly being targeted.
 
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PoS said:
Thats his quote so I am refuting his statement.

And secondly Hamas and Hezbollah are at war with Isreal because of the latter's illegal occupation. And Isreal has killed far more innocents in the last war than Hamas has so its not Hamas who are the coldblooded ones.
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So them damn Jews?? No need to answer, I already know what you're going to say.
 
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The last time I've seen aNY polls on this topic (do Muslims agree with the radical agenda) it seemed to me it was around 15% were in agreement. And I believe there are roughly 1.7 billion Muslims world wide. So this poll if correct would lead one to believe well over a 100,000,000 Muslims agree with these terrorist tactics.
 
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VanceMack said:
What this individual did is heroic. He should be celebrated as a hero. There are in fact individuals within the Muslim communities that speak out, always after the tragedies.

You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem. This notion that you can herald one brave act as the 'standard' for 'good' Muslims everywhere is just silly. Its as stupid as saying there are NO problems with excessive police use of force because, look, the law enforcement agencies across the country have Internal Affairs offices!

There ARE people that brand all Muslims terrorists. Those people are morons and its fair to call them out as morons. That does not negate the fact that there are a growing number of fundamentalist extremist Muslims, that those fundamentalist extremist Muslims kill daily across the globe, and that they do so because of their interpretation of their belief system. Those people ALSO should be called out.
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Do you suppose that Christians too have the same obligation to cull the extremists? If so, how should this be done?
 
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Hatuey said:
Lmao, since you didn't even read the links or for that matter understand them:

http://twocircles.net/2008feb26/pol..._radicals_muslim_world_poll.html#.VLHtsGTF8vE



Muslim attitudes towards terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
68% of Israeli Arabs oppose recent wave of terrorism, poll finds - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
The myth of Muslim support for terror - CSMonitor.com



There is no cherry picking here, the amount of evidence proving you wrong simply is overwhelming. Again, these discussions are taking place. That you don't see them is your problem.



Lmao, considering I've got a myriad of friends who are Muslims, you're simply wrong as you were before.
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You've got "Muslim friends" wow, does this make you a "Muslim" expert? Or is it more in line with a guy being called a racist saying " I have a black friend"? Also are you claiming to have your finger on the pluse of the Muslim community?
 
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Hello,

Its interesting that the funerals for the victims have not yet taken place and already the media is portraying Muslims as the heroes of the day. I guess if we had already been striped of our freedom of speech and were already forced to follow the tenants of Islam, this needless violence would never have happened. The adherents of Islam are not the heroes of the Muslim attack in Paris. The cartoonists who stood against oppression and lost their lives are.

Garion
 
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Henry David said:
Do you suppose that Christians too have the same obligation to cull the extremists? If so, how should this be done?
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Are you saying that christian extremism is a problem equal to Muslim extremism?

And please try and responed without using the word "crusade"
 
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Gringo allstar said:
Are you saying that christian extremism is a problem equal to Muslim extremism?

And please try and responed without using the word "crusade"
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If you're looking for a one word answer, how about "abortion"?

Otherwise, if for the sake of discussion we agree that the US is a "Christian nation" as so many people claim, I would say that much harm is brought by this Christian nation, including torture and military aggression. Professional deception has much to do with most americans being deceived about what really happened 13 years ago, so I do understand the enthusiasm most folks feel about the War On Terror, but YES, I do feel that many Christians need a serious "examination of conscience", as to what is done in their name and with their tax dollars by the government.
 
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Hatuey said:
You know, it's really ridiculous that you believe these dialogues aren't taking place in the Muslim world. Do you watch a lot of TV from the Muslim world or something? Here are 45 groups discussing terrorism in Islam:

45 Examples of Muslim Outrage About Charlie Hebdo Attack That Fox News Missed | Alternet
Charlie Hebdo: Islamic leaders in Australia condemn Paris attacks
Charlie Hebdo killings condemned by Arab states
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dai...ders-condemn-attack-on-frances-194759746.html

Just because you're not aware of it, does not mean it doesn't exist. It's there. It has been there. Condemnation and discussion on these attacks is taking place in the homes of millions of Muslims. To suggest otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see, none are so deaf as those who will not hear."

I don't know of any surefire cure for willful ignorance of the facts
 
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Garion said:
Hello,

Its interesting that the funerals for the victims have not yet taken place and already the media is portraying Muslims as the heroes of the day. I guess if we had already been striped of our freedom of speech and were already forced to follow the
tenants of Islam
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, this needless violence would never have happened. The adherents of Islam are not the heroes of the Muslim attack in Paris. The cartoonists who stood against oppression and lost their lives are.





Garion
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The word is tenets, not tenants.

Check your dictionary.
 
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Gringo allstar said:
Are you saying that christian extremism is a problem equal to Muslim extremism?

And please try and responed without using the word "crusade"
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If you can use the word 'crusade', why can't others use it?

Fill us in.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
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Henry David said:
If you're looking for a one word answer, how about "abortion"?

Otherwise, if for the sake of discussion we agree that the US is a "Christian nation" as so many people claim, I would say that much harm is brought by this Christian nation, including torture and military aggression. Professional deception has much to do with most americans being deceived about what really happened 13 years ago, so I do understand the enthusiasm most folks feel about the War On Terror, but YES, I do feel that many Christians need a serious "examination of conscience", as to what is done in their name and with their tax dollars by the government.
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Well BO says america isn't a christian nation so I'm not really sure who is doing things in the name of Christianity?? What exactly is being done in the name of Christianity with my tax dollars? The feds do a lot of things with my money that I absolutely don't agree with, but in the name of Christ?? I don't see it.
 
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shrubnose said:
If you can use the word 'crusade', why can't others use it?

Fill us in.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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Because I'm special!
 
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Henry David said:
YES, I do feel that many Christians need a serious "examination of conscience", as to what is done in their name and with their tax dollars by the government.
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There is no American action done in the "name of Christianity" or the name of Jesus. This is not a religious war to us. Maybe it is to a portion of Muslim extremists, but over here, it's a secular issue. This country is not a "Christian nation". The majority of citizens may be Christian, but we don't live in a theocracy, and we aren't fighting terrorism on the basis of religious ideology.
 
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Hatuey said:
Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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There are many good people who are Muslims. That important point should not be ignored. The extreme acts carried out by Islamist terrorists should not be used to define the character of all Muslims.

Also, yesterday's edition of The New York Times profiled an Islamic scholar who teaches a perspective that differs greatly from that advanced by the radical Islamists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/w...orgotten-side-in-a-changing-germany.html?_r=0
 
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