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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Plenty. Troops in Saudi Arabia, Somalia and meddling in other places like Iraq, we've been doing it for years and a backlash was coming.


    Really? So youre saying its okay to bash and discriminate against Muslims then? Funny, when someone is racist towards Jews they are called anti-Semitic but being racist towards Muslims is OK in your books.
    Our troops were in Saudi Arabia by invitation, or should we have just let Hussein invade Saudi Arabia?

    Islam is a religion, period. There's no debate.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sure, but in the meantime, what's the plan? Who do we support without running afoul of our own laws?
    We cannot tip over our core beliefs because of any men claiming any gods name become violent. First it must be called out for what it is and not castrate language for political correctness sake. Second, the continued identification, apprehension and/or killing of those who wish to commit acts of terrorism of any kind must be stepped up. Third, in the meantime, as I stated, nations need to work with Islamic leaders to rout out extremists, extremist thought and action.

    As an illustration: The Islamic "no-go" areas around France were, in hindsight, a very bad idea.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Who gave you the power to remove them from Islam? They believe they are part of the Muslim faith - they get support from somewhere.


    Your own link identifies Islamic terrorists - Groups claiming to be Muslims. 98% is the number, not zero.
    Your question: "Of all the 2014 terrorist acts committed world wide - what % do you think were part of the Muslim faith?" is the question I answered, not the one you seem to think you posted.

    No one is denying that these murderers claim to be observant Muslims, though many very knowledgeable Muslims are saying the terrorists are not following the Q'aran but instead relying upon poor interpretations of hadith in their justifications.

    So, to answer your original question - the answer is ZERO.
    And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Your question: "Of all the 2014 terrorist acts committed world wide - what % do you think were part of the Muslim faith?" is the question I answered, not the one you seem to think you posted.

    No one is denying that these murderers claim to be observant Muslims, though many very knowledgeable Muslims are saying the terrorists are not following the Q'aran but instead relying upon poor interpretations of hadith in their justifications.

    So, to answer your original question - the answer is ZERO.
    Congratulations on your denial of reality.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    We cannot tip over our core beliefs because of any men claiming any gods name become violent. First it must be called out for what it is and not castrate language for political correctness sake. Second, the continued identification, apprehension and/or killing of those who wish to commit acts of terrorism of any kind must be stepped up. Third, in the meantime, as I stated, nations need to work with Islamic leaders to rout out extremists, extremist thought and action.

    As an illustration: The Islamic "no-go" areas around France were, in hindsight, a very bad idea.
    What "no-go" areas in France? Where did you get your information?
    And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Congratulations on your denial of reality.
    I'm denying reality?!!??
    And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What "no-go" areas in France? Where did you get your information?
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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What "no-go" areas in France? Where did you get your information?
    French Islamist mini-states grow into problem out of government control - Washington Times
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I'm denying reality?!!??
    Yes. Stating you consider zero as the correct number.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The precarious position that the Saudis are in has always been one of the hardest rocks internationally. Saudi power would not last such a war, their own people would get rid of them. We both know that they're between a rock and hard place when it comes to this. The downfall of the Saudis would be a disaster as far as US foreign policy over the last 30-40 years is concerned.
    It's easy to say their hands are tied, but they aren't in fact. I think they would get huge support if they frame their effort properly. They first have to paint the opposition as non-Muslims....in fact these people would be labeled heretics to the faith.
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