Agreed.You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem. This notion that you can herald one brave act as the 'standard' for 'good' Muslims everywhere is just silly. Its as stupid as saying there are NO problems with excessive police use of force because, look, the law enforcement agencies across the country have Internal Affairs offices!
There are 100 times as many people who SAY others brand "ALL Muslims as terrorists".Originally Posted by Vance Mack
There is NO more common strawman in This century.
Agreed.Originally Posted by Vance
But lets look at A/if not THEE Mainstream Muslim view.. with about the first or second Most populous Muslim Nation and it's MAJORITY faction.
This is Directly on the Hebdo issue, 'Insulting Islam'.
Pakistan governor’s suspected assassin hailed as hero
Jan 5, 2011
Pakistan governor's suspected assassin hailed as hero - Washington Times
The 'moderate' Majority Sect of Pakistan condoned/Celebrated the [Terrorist assassination]/Murder and issued threats of More of the same for those opposing the Death Penalty for 'insulting Islam'. That's right, ie, a 5 year sentence isn't enough. Even sober Lawyers showered Rose petals on the Terrorist Murderer of a Governor.LAHORE, Pakistan | Lawyers showered the suspected killer of a prominent Pakistani governor with rose petals when he arrived at court Wednesday,
and an influential Muslim scholars group Praised the assassination of the outspoken opponent of laws that order Death for those who Insult Islam. Mumtaz Qadri, 26, made his first appearance in an Islamabad court, where a judge remanded him in custody. Mr. Qadri is accused of spraying automatic gunfire at the back of Punjab province Gov. Salmaan Taseer while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard.
A rowdy crowd slapped him on the back and kissed his cheek as he was escorted inside the court. The lawyers who tossed the rose petals were not involved in the case. As he left the court, a crowd of about 200 Sympathizers chanted slogans in his favor. The suspect stood at the back door of an armored police van with a flower necklace given to him by an admirer and repeatedly yelled, “God is great.”
More than 500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat said no one should pray or express regret for the killing of the governor.
The group representing Pakistan’s Majority Barelvi sect, which follows a brand of Islam considered moderate, also issued a veiled Threat to other opponents of the blasphemy laws. -“The supporter is as equally guilty as one who committed blasphemy,” the group warned in a statement, adding that politicians, the media and others should learn “a lesson from the exemplary death.”
Jamat leader Maulana Shah Turabul Haq Qadri paid “glorious tribute to the murderer … for his courage, bravery and religious honor and integrity.”
The would Obviously APPLAUD the Hebdo Massacre.
and They are in Healthy Majority Radical/extremist, and I oppose their INmigration to the USA/EU.
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I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
"Muslim support for terror" is broadly assent through silence. You do get excellent counter-examples (personally, I'm interested in seeing what comes of el-Sisi's recent public moves).A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph, published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers. A 2007 poll found that one Muslim in four thought the Government had staged the bombings and framed the Muslims convicted.
However, you also have a strong paranoia/us-v-them/legitimacy-through-the-group mentality that enables the extremists. Non-Muslim westerners who have little idea what they are talking about like to say that fundamentalism is a "perversion" is Islam. It's not. It's a legitimate reading of the texts, with a jurisprudential history a mile long. When the group who are most likely to support/enable extremists overlaps with those who are also most likely to enjoy the respect of an enclave-like community and the alien society they find themselves surrounded in legitimizes those individuals as well in order to reach "authentic local leadership" the conditions are set for a determined minority to be enabled by a silent majority who may personally disagree, but who either aren't willing to challenge the leadership or who prefer to deal with the cognitive dissonance by seeking consolation in conspiracy theories which redeem the group. For young males raised to think of themselves as an angry, put-down "other" in an alien society, extremism also offers self-affirmation, purpose, identity, meaning, respect, and plus you look like a bad-ass on facebook.
That is the importance of the killing of the Muslim cop. Killing other Muslims is a big ideological entry-barrier for the general Muslim community (if not, unfortunately, often the critical demographic described above).
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11.
Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings.
Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism.
Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them.
Why do we fall?
So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
Why do we fall?
So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
Save all that propaganda for your pards in your little feel good krewe.
The Charlie Hebdo attackers were French citizens, who his out in the Muslim community. And, no one within that community said a damn thing.
Hundreds of 'No-Go Zones' Across France Are Off-Limits to Non-Muslims