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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
    B-but, all Muslims are evil!! Or something.

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    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, since you didn't even read the links or for that matter understand them:

    http://twocircles.net/2008feb26/poli...l#.VLHtsGTF8vE



    Muslim attitudes towards terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
    68% of Israeli Arabs oppose recent wave of terrorism, poll finds - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
    The myth of Muslim support for terror - CSMonitor.com



    There is no cherry picking here, the amount of evidence proving you wrong simply is overwhelming. Again, these discussions are taking place. That you don't see them is your problem.



    Lmao, considering I've got a myriad of friends who are Muslims, you're simply wrong as you were before.
    Yeah man. That's AWESOME. It's the US fault that Muslim extremists butcher children in Indonesia. Of COURSE it is.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What this individual did is heroic. He should be celebrated as a hero. There are in fact individuals within the Muslim communities that speak out, always after the tragedies.
    Agreed, but what is the Mainstream view?

    You ever watch any of the exchanges between people like Bill Mahr and Sean Hannity as they attack extremist Muslims on their extremist views every opportunity they get, in camera, for all the world to see? THAT is the dialogue that needs to be occurring. Muslims DAILY need to be culling the herd, preaching opposition to Fundamentalists. THAT is not happening and that IS the problem. This notion that you can herald one brave act as the 'standard' for 'good' Muslims everywhere is just silly. Its as stupid as saying there are NO problems with excessive police use of force because, look, the law enforcement agencies across the country have Internal Affairs offices!
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vance Mack
    There ARE people that brand all Muslims terrorists..
    There are 100 times as many people who SAY others brand "ALL Muslims as terrorists".
    There is NO more common strawman in This century.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vance
    ..Those people are morons and its fair to call them out as morons. That does not negate the fact that there are a growing number of fundamentalist extremist Muslims, that those fundamentalist extremist Muslims kill daily across the globe, and that they do so because of their interpretation of their belief system. Those people ALSO should be called out.
    Agreed.

    But lets look at A/if not THEE Mainstream Muslim view.. with about the first or second Most populous Muslim Nation and it's MAJORITY faction.
    This is Directly on the Hebdo issue, 'Insulting Islam'.


    Pakistan governor’s suspected assassin hailed as hero

    Jan 5, 2011
    Pakistan governor's suspected assassin hailed as hero - Washington Times

    LAHORE, Pakistan | Lawyers showered the suspected killer of a prominent Pakistani governor with rose petals when he arrived at court Wednesday,
    and an influential Muslim scholars group Praised the assassination of the outspoken opponent of laws that order Death for those who Insult Islam.
    Mumtaz Qadri, 26, made his first appearance in an Islamabad court, where a judge remanded him in custody. Mr. Qadri is accused of spraying automatic gunfire at the back of Punjab province Gov. Salmaan Taseer while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard.

    A rowdy crowd slapped him on the back and kissed his cheek as he was escorted inside the court. The lawyers who tossed the rose petals were not involved in the case. As he left the court, a crowd of about 200 Sympathizers chanted slogans in his favor. The suspect stood at the back door of an armored police van with a flower necklace given to him by an admirer and repeatedly yelled, “God is great.”
    More than 500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat said no one should pray or express regret for the killing of the governor.
    The group representing Pakistan’s Majority Barelvi sect, which follows a brand of Islam considered moderate, also issued a veiled Threat to other opponents of the blasphemy laws.
    -“The supporter is as equally guilty as one who committed blasphemy,” the group warned in a statement, adding that politicians, the media and others should learn “a lesson from the exemplary death.”

    Jamat leader Maulana Shah Turabul Haq Qadri paid “glorious tribute to the murderer … for his courage, bravery and religious honor and integrity.”

    [.......]
    The 'moderate' Majority Sect of Pakistan condoned/Celebrated the [Terrorist assassination]/Murder and issued threats of More of the same for those opposing the Death Penalty for 'insulting Islam'. That's right, ie, a 5 year sentence isn't enough. Even sober Lawyers showered Rose petals on the Terrorist Murderer of a Governor.

    The would Obviously APPLAUD the Hebdo Massacre.
    and They are in Healthy Majority Radical/extremist, and I oppose their INmigration to the USA/EU.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, since you didn't even read the links or for that matter understand them:

    http://twocircles.net/2008feb26/poli...l#.VLHtsGTF8vE



    Muslim attitudes towards terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
    68% of Israeli Arabs oppose recent wave of terrorism, poll finds - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
    The myth of Muslim support for terror - CSMonitor.com



    There is no cherry picking here, the amount of evidence proving you wrong simply is overwhelming. Again, these discussions are taking place. That you don't see them is your problem.



    Lmao, considering I've got a myriad of friends who are Muslims, you're simply wrong as you were before.
    A different section than that which you bolded caught my eye:

    A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.[7] A 2007 poll found that one Muslim in four thought the Government had staged the bombings and framed the Muslims convicted.
    "Muslim support for terror" is broadly assent through silence. You do get excellent counter-examples (personally, I'm interested in seeing what comes of el-Sisi's recent public moves).

    However, you also have a strong paranoia/us-v-them/legitimacy-through-the-group mentality that enables the extremists. Non-Muslim westerners who have little idea what they are talking about like to say that fundamentalism is a "perversion" is Islam. It's not. It's a legitimate reading of the texts, with a jurisprudential history a mile long. When the group who are most likely to support/enable extremists overlaps with those who are also most likely to enjoy the respect of an enclave-like community and the alien society they find themselves surrounded in legitimizes those individuals as well in order to reach "authentic local leadership" the conditions are set for a determined minority to be enabled by a silent majority who may personally disagree, but who either aren't willing to challenge the leadership or who prefer to deal with the cognitive dissonance by seeking consolation in conspiracy theories which redeem the group. For young males raised to think of themselves as an angry, put-down "other" in an alien society, extremism also offers self-affirmation, purpose, identity, meaning, respect, and plus you look like a bad-ass on facebook.

    That is the importance of the killing of the Muslim cop. Killing other Muslims is a big ideological entry-barrier for the general Muslim community (if not, unfortunately, often the critical demographic described above).

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding them in walk-in freezer



    The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
    One guy?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yeah man. That's AWESOME. It's the US fault that Muslim extremists butcher children in Indonesia. Of COURSE it is.

    FM
    Even non-Muslims justify and excuse Muslim terrorism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One guy?
    There's two options here. You either didn't read the OP properly or you never learnt to count past one. Which one is it?

    Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11.
    Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings.
    Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism.
    Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them.
    Why do we fall?
    So we can learn to pick ourselves up.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    There's two options here. You either didn't read the OP properly or you never learnt to count past one. Which one is it?
    Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the thread had anything to with 9/11.

    Or, is it about personal attacks?

    Those are two options, as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

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    Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the thread had anything to with 9/11.

    Or, is it about personal attacks?

    Those are two options, as well.
    I guess it's just too difficult for you to actually man up and admit you jumped the gun and didn't read the OP properly. Instead you prefer to cry and play the poor, poor victim. Ah well, at least your consistent.

    Carry on. You'll find the tissues at aisle 4.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I guess it's just too difficult for you to actually man up and admit you jumped the gun and didn't read the OP properly. Instead you prefer to cry and play the poor, poor victim. Ah well, at least your consistent.

    Carry on. You'll find the tissues at aisle 4.
    Sorry, but I'm not going to get excited because less than 1% of the Muslims in the world oppose Muslim terrorism.

    Save all that propaganda for your pards in your little feel good krewe.

    The Charlie Hebdo attackers were French citizens, who his out in the Muslim community. And, no one within that community said a damn thing.

    Hundreds of 'No-Go Zones' Across France Are Off-Limits to Non-Muslims
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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