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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It is pretty funny. The very first of the 45 tweets was from CAIR, an un-indicted co-conspirator in providing funding for arms to Hamas, according to Justice and the FBI. So they condemn the very crap they fund. Misleading some people is very easy.
    When I saw what was represented as real acts of Muslim outrage, I was grateful. Grateful I wasnt holding a coffee cup.

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    These examples are just examples and that was no strawman on my side since I've quoted your words directly.
    Perpetuating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. You lied about my posts and tried to make a claim out of them that I never did. Typical for a M/E dweller.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Perpetuating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. You lied about my posts and tried to make a claim out of them that I never did.
    I was referring to the clear generalization your post was committing by giving an example of a Muslim being heroic and implying that means "Muslims" aren't standing idly by to terrorism. "Muslims" being the generalizing term here.

    Typical for a M/E dweller.
    Now you see that too is a generalization.
    We've practically proven by now that you're keen on making generalizations no less than those you oppose.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    When they sing it in a church or other setting today, what does it mean, what does it inspire?
    For the most part, hymns are old, and they are sung due to tradition. They dont mean anything. I have no idea if you have real life exposure, but it is quite easy to verify that this is the case. Go to a protestant church, then come back and tell us how much they discussed holy war. It doesnt happen.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that you had scroll more than halfway through the page to find examples of prominent and non-prominent Muslim individuals having these discussions to try and "prove" that Muslims weren't having these discussions is pretty funny. As I've said, continuing to lie is really not helping you.
    The fact that I bothered to READ what you posted means two things. 1, that particular offering was the easist to copy and paste in derision of that pathetic citation and 2, it represented 3 wasted minutes of my life that I will never, ever get back.

    7. Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association:“The sanctity of human life is central to our faith. That lives could taken in this manner for any cause is appalling and unjustifiable.”

    4. French Muslim Council (CFCM): “This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press.” It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”

    Its cute that these 'outraged' people offer theirtexts and tweets, but considering the number of MUslims killing in the name of Allah and their belief, the evidence is pretty solid that its time to abandon the ridiculous notion that this is all just a tiny smattering of people and not representative of Muslims.

    Mind you...THESE are cited as examples of Muslim OUTRAGE. Excerpts of platitudes offered after the fact. Nothing before...and when the last shell casing is cleared...nothing after.

    Meanwhile...

    "In January, Sunni suicide bombers attacked scores of Shiite pilgrims in Iraq, killing at least 73. In February, a car bomb outside a café in Mogadishu, Somalia, left 15 dead. In March, a bombing in Thailand killed 14 and injured 340 in a commercial district."

    "This year is expected to outpace even 2012’s record high. There were 5,100 attacks in the first six months of 2013, said Gary LaFree, START’s director, and the wave of violence shows few signs of ebbing.

    In recent weeks, Al-Shabaab, a militant group based in Somalia, attacked a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, leaving 67 dead; suicide bombers killed 81 at a church in Pakistan; and the Taliban took credit for killing two police officers with a car bomb in Afghanistan."

    And now this gem.

    "The Global Terrorism Database has recorded terror attacks across the world - with data from 1970 covering up to the end of 2011. It's a huge dataset: over 104,000 attacks, including around 2,600 in the US - and its collection is funded by an agency of the US government: the Science and Technology Directorate of the US Department of Homeland Security through a Center of Excellence program based at the University of Maryland."

    Four decades of US terror attacks listed and detailed | News | The Guardian

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I was referring to the clear generalization your post was committing by giving an example of a Muslim being heroic and implying that means "Muslims" aren't standing idly by to terrorism.
    Quadrupling down on a straw man? Now it's just silly.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The fact that I bothered to RAED what you posted means two things. 1, that particular offering was the easist to copy and paste in derision of that pathetic citation and 2, it represented 3 wasted minutes of my life that I will never, ever get back.
    Continuing to lie about what was actually posted is pretty sad. Tell us again how you "raed" "45 tweets" out my links. It's pretty obvious now that you lied and misrepresented my links because they directly refuted your statements. Muslims are having these discussions and the majority are opposed to terrorism as evidenced by statistical evidence. Continuing to claim otherwise at this point by showing that terrorist attacks happen is just desperation.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Quadrupling down on a straw man? Now it's just silly.
    Hilarious.
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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    For the most part, hymns are old, and they are sung due to tradition. They dont mean anything. I have no idea if you have real life exposure, but it is quite easy to verify that this is the case. Go to a protestant church, then come back and tell us how much they discussed holy war. It doesnt happen.
    I would suggest to you that words actually DO mean something when they are spoken or sung by humans assembled. Perhaps subliminal, but they do mean something. That is, subliminal, subconscious or otherwise, they have an effect on the humans participating or present.

    But certainly your point that churches do not discuss holy war is very accurate I suspect. Not counting the small incident at the USAF Academy a few years back.

    But as to civilian churches, I'm sure the subject of holy war is never discussed. But I wonder if it is ever condemned in US churches?

    I wonder how many US churches have spoken from the pulpit against torture? Is a failure to condemn tantamount to condoning any given action?

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    re: Muslim worker at Paris kosher grocer saved customers from gunman by hiding [W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Hilarious.
    I agree, you should stop it. It's pretty sad when you take one section of my post and then try to make it out to be a statement on "all muslims" like you did.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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