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    Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison
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    Radical Islamic cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, who was convicted of supporting al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists, was sentenced to life in prison Friday by a federal judge in New York. A federal jury in Manhattan convicted al-Masri in May of aiding kidnappers during a 1998 hostage-taking in Yemen, sending a young recruit to jihadists in Afghanistan, violating U.S. sanctions against the Taliban, and attempting to establish an al Qaeda-style training camp on the West Coast of the United States.

    Al-Masri, 56, was found guilty of participating in a hostage-taking in Yemen in 1998 that resulted in four deaths, a conspiracy to establish a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon, and sending a follower to train and fight with al Qaeda in Afghanistan in 2000. The cleric was extradited from the United Kingdom, where he had been convicted of inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder with his fiery sermons.

    In imposing the life term, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest told al-Masri: "I don't believe the world would be safe with you in 10 years, 15 years or longer."

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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Good. But this will accelerate terrorist attacks in the US. Proactive vigilance is the key now.

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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    well, good..... now we just need to throw him in GenPop and let nature takes it's course.

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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, good..... now we just need to throw him in GenPop and let nature takes it's course.
    That's prime recruiting territory for radical Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That's prime recruiting territory for radical Islam.
    Yes, it most certainly is. Either that, or they become an even larger figure in prison, and some communicate with those outside the walls. I only know this because I've watched a few documentaries on prisons.

    Perhaps they should have used a lethal injection on this one, either that, or turn him loose and do a drone thing on him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That's prime recruiting territory for radical Islam.
    more importantly, it's prime territory for being on the wrong end of a shiv.

    the arab faction isn't powerful or feared in Prison politics.... black, white, and Hispanic are the primary factions.... everyone else is meat for the grinder.
    Whites and Hispanics aren't likely to respond well to Muslim recruitment efforts in Prison... nor are blacks, except if the recruiter is also black and recruiting for the Nation of Islam or other black separatists "organizations"

    radical anti-american muslim clerics don't stand much of a chance in the US prison system... they don't have any friends, they don't have any power... and they are up against ruthless factions.

    just let it be known what and who this guy is...and leave him in GenPop... **** will sort itself out pretty quick
    ( in all likelihood, he'll be segregated and protected)

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    I think jihadists like this rat should be treated, whenever possible, as war criminals, rather than tried for regular crimes in regular U.S. courts. Military tribunals do not use a jury, eliminating the problem of the holdout juror who just cannot bring himself to find the person guilty. There will probably be much less chance to appeal a conviction, although that depends on the rules the President has drawn up for the tribunal. And in war crimes, the death penalty is more likely to apply. Imprisoning these SOB's creates an incentive to take hostages to secure their release. That has happened to Israel a number of times.

    This is a war, not cops and robbers.

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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I think jihadists like this rat should be treated, whenever possible, as war criminals, rather than tried for regular crimes in regular U.S. courts. Military tribunals do not use a jury, eliminating the problem of the holdout juror who just cannot bring himself to find the person guilty. There will probably be much less chance to appeal a conviction, although that depends on the rules the President has drawn up for the tribunal. And in war crimes, the death penalty is more likely to apply. Imprisoning these SOB's creates an incentive to take hostages to secure their release. That has happened to Israel a number of times.

    This is a war, not cops and robbers.
    While I like your post and mostly agree with you, there's not even a slim chance that if this rat went to a military tribunal, he would be looking at the death penalty. He actually had a better chance of being sentenced to death by the federal court, wouldn't he? I can't recall the last time a military court sentenced someone to the death penalty, but I could look it up and see.

    Last military death sentence carried out in 1961, U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett.
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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Good. But this will accelerate terrorist attacks in the US. Proactive vigilance is the key now.
    Terror attacks will increase and become the norm for the next generation at a minimum, and imho much longer.
    How do you define proactive vigilance?
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    Re: Radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri sentenced to life in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    While I like your post and mostly agree with you, there's not even a slim chance that if this rat went to a military tribunal, he would be looking at the death penalty. He actually had a better chance of being sentenced to death by the federal court, wouldn't he? I can't recall the last time a military court sentenced someone to the death penalty, but I could look it up and see.

    Last military death sentence carried out in 1961, U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett.
    Sounds like you may be thinking of courts martial, where U.S. servicemen are tried for crimes. And I don't doubt that almost no executions are involved there.

    But military tribunals are pretty much whatever the President wants them to be. And if most Americans had as much courage of their convictions as they once did, a lot of these bastards would have been executed already. Instead, there is much hand wringing and navel gazing about the poor darlings' supposed rights (almost none of which they actually have), and President Limpwrist sets them free to murder again. Recall that the sob sister in the White House even wanted to give a full trial in federal court to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the miserable son of a whore who masterminded the murders of almost three thousand people on 9/11, even though he had no right whatever to any such thing. He should have been hanged more than a decade ago, but instead he has never even been tried, and continues to live in relative comfort at Guantanamo. That is an outrage.

    Military tribunals, or military commissions, have been used from the beginning of the U.S., and they have often resulted in executions. A very early example is the trial of Benedict Arnold's British liaison, Major John Andre. Andre was captured in civilian clothes behind American lines, and in his boot were documents Arnold, then the commandant of West Point, had given him revealing the plans for the fort's defense. General Washington commissioned a panel of senior officers to try Andre, and he was soon convicted and sentenced to death. Andre entreated Washington to be shot as a soldier, but he got no sympathy and was soon hanged as a spy.

    In 1942, six Nazi saboteurs--one a U.S. citizen--who had landed here by U-boat were captured. President Roosevelt made very clear he wanted things done fast. His Attorney General, in just six days, drew up rules for a military commission. Some of the best criminal defense lawyers in the U.S. were called in, but despite their efforts the evidence against the men was just too strong, and they were convicted of various war crimes. They filed a habeas petition challenging the legality of their detention and trial, and a federal district court denied it. The Supreme Court then agreed to hear their appeal from this denial immediately, and quickly denied their petition again--for good. All six were then electrocuted, the whole process taking less than two months from the time the U-boats landed them here.

    For anyone who is interested, the best source I know of on military commissions, unlawful combatants, and the laws governing all this is the Nazi saboteurs case, Ex Parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942). Another interesting case is Ex Parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 2 (1866), which involved an Indiana man the Union army had tried and sentenced to death for various pro-Confederate actions.
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