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George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence[W:124]

Re: George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence

year2late said:
The vast majority of people are not creepy enough to follow you while you are walking alone at night.

By your accounts, when it happened to me, I should have felt safe and secure. Bullcrap.
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First off this tray von Zimmerman encounter was not during night time it was during the evening.
 
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whysoserious said:
No, I don't know anything for sure. I know that GZ obviously has reason to embellish his story, and the retelling of events don't sound very truthful. I know it was reckless and that no one should have died that day nor did anyone need to.
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There is no use in trying explain to someone why the whole story sounds BS. This has been rehashed and rehashed over and over.
If Martin had survived the gunshot there would have been an entirely different trial. But basically there was just George's version.

The jury were only given information given in court. They do not get to hear about prior runs ins. So a not guilty verdict is legal and the only verdict one could come from what they were given.

Now , people are seeing the real George. Some are saying, he was rightly found not guilty but now needs some treatment. If he had gotten treatment in 2011 Martin may be alive today.
 
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Crosscheck said:
There is no use in trying explain to someone why the whole story sounds BS. This has been rehashed and rehashed over and over.
If Martin had survived the gunshot there would have been an entirely different trial. But basically there was just George's version.

The jury were only given information given in court. They do not get to hear about prior runs ins. So a not guilty verdict is legal and the only verdict one could come from what they were given.

Now , people are seeing the real George. Some are saying, he was rightly found not guilty but now needs some treatment. If he had gotten treatment in 2011 Martin may be alive today.
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I pretty much agree with all of that.
 
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whysoserious said:
There are no time stamps of his retelling - the part in question has no time stamps. Once GZ hung up with 911, there are no other time stamps or witnesses until the next 911 call. Trayvon was walking around his own neighborhood... why would you blame him for that and not the guy who said of him, "these assholes always get away with it"? You honestly believe this story:

-GZ saw Trayvon.
-He followed Trayvon as he walked along the houses.
-Trayvon saw GZ.
-Trayvon cirlces GZ's car and stares him down (****ing thug!)
-Trayvon runs off to hide and get away from GZ
-GZ gets out of his car and chases TM
-He can't find TM, so he starts heading to the corner to meet the police
-The ****ing black, piece-of-**** thug Trayvon jumps out of the bushes and ambushes poor GZ
-GZ did nothing to provoke TM, and TM punches GZ in the face
-TM then mounts GZ and begins slamming GZ's head into the concrete
-TM covers up GZ's mouth - blood is everywhere
-TM sees GZ's gun and says "You're going to ****ing die tonight"

You really believe that? Here's my guess at what I think really happened:

-GZ sees Trayvon and thinks he might be the guy breaking into houses
-Trayvon is being somewhat suspicious because he's just lurking (on the phone with his GF)
-Trayvon notices GZ following him
-Trayvon runs away
-GZ chases
-GZ finds Trayvon, they argue, GZ tries to detain Trayvon until cops arrive
-GZ gets his ass kicked
-GZ shoots Trayvon because he got scared

My story sounds entirely plausible. GZ's story doesn't, and it's told by a complete scumbag.
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Even if your story is true tray von is wrong and Zimmerman is right. Your not allowed to assault someone who's on the ground that's attempted murder.

However your problems with black people judging by your constant mentioning of race, aside, Zimmerman story is perfectly consistent with evidence. A stupid young man trying to sound impressive to this girl on the phone might very well circle back and confront someone. Keep in mind Zimmerman did not leave his car and tell the dispatcher asked where Treybourne was going, when the dispatcher said Zimmerman didn't need to follow him his breathing slowed as if he stopped walking. Where is Zimmerman said he lost sight of tray von, was about 15 seconds to trade Vons house, yet the fatal altercation occurred four minutes later. Unless you're suggesting that Zimmerman went and pulled Treybourne out of his townhouse kicking and screaming to the location of the fight there is no explanation other than that trayvondouble back

You can read this article here written by one of the most premier self defense experts in the country.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/17/zimmerman-verdict-part-3-who-started-it/
 
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Re: George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence

Crosscheck said:
There is no use in trying explain to someone why the whole story sounds BS. This has been rehashed and rehashed over and over.
If Martin had survived the gunshot there would have been an entirely different trial. But basically there was just George's version.

The jury were only given information given in court. They do not get to hear about prior runs ins. So a not guilty verdict is legal and the only verdict one could come from what they were given.

Now , people are seeing the real George. Some are saying, he was rightly found not guilty but now needs some treatment. If he had gotten treatment in 2011 Martin may be alive today.
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If Martin survived he be doing a prison sentence in Florida for attempted murder
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
First off this tray von Zimmerman encounter was not during night time it was during the evening.
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:lamo
 
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year2late said:
:lamo
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What you're telling me you go to bed the minute the sun goes down? This was not midnight to early-morning were talking about. Ergo nothing creepy about a guy observing the neighborhood
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
If Martin survived he be doing a prison sentence in Florida for attempted murder
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Nobody knows how the trial would have been if he lived including you. It would definitely have been a different trial.

We will never know now. But for sure George is living up to the violent person many felt he was. That is fact!
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
What you're telling me you go to bed the minute the sun goes down? This was not midnight to early-morning were talking about. Ergo nothing creepy about a guy observing the neighborhood
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:roll:
 
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CMPancake said:
If the allegations are true and he once again walks I'm gonna start to think this man can get away with murder.
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Teflon Zim.
 
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When are his 15 minutes of fame officially up?
 
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whysoserious said:
He wasn't even required to go to the hospital... his wounds were entirely superficial. If it was a sanctioned fight, it wouldn't have been stopped. GZ tried to start **** with a teenager because the kid was black, he got his ass handed to him, and he shot the kid. He's a sad, pathetic, little man.
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I suspect martin was talking on a headset, in the dark, and Zimmerman was wandering around, in the dark, without a real flashlight, and they came upon each other in the dark, scaring the **** out of each other and Zimmerman went for his gun.

The "arrival" of the gun into the situation I'm sure is responsible for martins actions.

There just isn't anything in his history to suggest he would try to murder a.stranger for no real reason. Self defense, however? That makes sense.

Never forget the "reaching for my cell phone" bit that was in multiple peoples tellings. (Just in case anybody saw)
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
No sanctioned fight has a contestants head above pavement, the fact there was any injury to the back of Zs head is evidence of attempted murder by M. Go ask an attorney. Striking a grounded person in the head can be charged in that manner
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Gravity could have caused those injuries. Falling. Rolling in the rough grass with a shaved head. There is no evidence of banging against concrete except Zimmerman's story. It even required "shimmying" to explain why M's body was so far from any concrete.
 
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my question

who the hell what this guy is or isnt doing anymore

he doesnt live near me......

i dont follow the tabloids.....in other words

i dont give a ****........
 
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So what?

What he does or does not do after his famous incident has nothing to do with the famous incident.

Jeez people...move on already.

Have you really nothing better to do with your lives?
 
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Thrilla said:
depends on the particulars, but yes.. it's allowable for men to defend themselves against women

why would you believe it's not?
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So if nobody KNOWS he was trying to rape her...free attempted rape and murder!
 
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Thrilla said:
so you believe Z showed him the gun and TM then decided to fight him?.. and that is somehow more believable?:lol:
in any case, if TM initiated violence, Z is justified in defending himself.... there's no evidence to contradict the story Z told, so.. umm.. yeah.. there it is.

I don't care about his pot use or "drank" or preening for girls... it's irrelevant to me... it's irrelevant to the case.
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"Brandishing" is a SERIOUS no no in Florida. Up to twenty years. And reaching for your gun triggers the guy WITHOUT a gun's right to defend themselves with lethal force.

Do you honestly know anyone who out of the blue attacked and beat someone to death? With no prior similar aggressive, murderous behavior? No school fights, no "victims" that any of those thousands of reporters could find to pay for their stories?

Nothing in all those thousands of texts they went through beyond pot and "drank" use, talking big for girls who don't go to your school and one attempt to get a gun for somebody else for self defense?

It just doesn't wash. If evidence of similar behavior existed I'd be right with you. It simply doesn't.
 
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Thrilla said:
what evidence do you have that Z started a fight?.... and why didn't you turn this evidence over to the prosecution?
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The repeated times that martin went AWAY from the weirdo in the dark.

They never had murder two. They might very well have won a manslaughter charge.

There ARE limits to armed jackassery.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
It's not illegal to follow someone through a neighborhood.
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But it often precedes bad things. Victims are OFTEN followed in the dark until they reach just the right place. That's the rub.

How was martin supposed to know Zimmerman WASN'T about to grab him and turn him into the Geek in Zimmerman's basement?
 
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j-mac said:
That's exactly right. Treyvon should have gone straight home, got inside, and locked the door, then called the police...It's a tragedy he didn't do that.
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That's ALL Zimmerman's ego needs.

"Run before me and my steel peepee!"

Seriously though, I bet martin thought he was safe where a car couldn't go and didn't hear Zimmerman get out or approach due to the phone earpiece and conversation.

No one is ever going to convince me this wasn't a tragedy of errors precipitated by Zimmerman.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
I think Trayvons age had more to do with suspicion then race.

Zimmerman called police on a non emergency line and apparently followed T to update the police dispatcher as to his location, nothing either party did was illegal at this point. However somewhere along the line Trailane Martin is this connected with George Zimmerman's head and Georgia minute some point was on his back. There were no injuries to trayvon other than the gunshot wound. A mutual fight and there would be bruises on T, but there were not. This is evidence and those are facts. Facts are stubborn things, to quote a famous boston attorney Who handled a controversial murder defense
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Have you considered a fight over the as yet undrawn gun? Zimmerman's injuries.CAN be explained by a single blow to the face and a fall onto the back. No further blows are required.

Remember there were NO abrasions on Martin's knuckles.
 
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What if...? said:
I suspect martin was talking on a headset, in the dark, and Zimmerman was wandering around, in the dark, without a real flashlight, and they came upon each other in the dark, scaring the **** out of each other and Zimmerman went for his gun.

The "arrival" of the gun into the situation I'm sure is responsible for martins actions.

There just isn't anything in his history to suggest he would try to murder a.stranger for no real reason. Self defense, however? That makes sense.

Never forget the "reaching for my cell phone" bit that was in multiple peoples tellings. (Just in case anybody saw)
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I could see that being it. I think Trayvon was hiding, GZ found him, and they had a brief argument (this is supported by TM's gf's account). Then, GZ tried to apprehend and contain TM.

In the end, they're all just guesses, but I think you have to be a complete moron to think that Trayvon jumped out the bushes, cold cocked GZ for no reason, slammed his head multiple times onto the pavement, and then said "You're going to ****ing die tonight".

That's a ****ing fantasy that's only believable if you follow the "thug, nolimitnigga, he makes lean and does drugs" narrative. And for anyone who follows that narrative:

**** you.
 
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What if...? said:
That's ALL Zimmerman's ego needs.

"Run before me and my steel peepee!"

Seriously though, I bet martin thought he was safe where a car couldn't go and didn't hear Zimmerman get out or approach due to the phone earpiece and conversation.

No one is ever going to convince me this wasn't a tragedy of errors precipitated by Zimmerman.
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Well, the jury disagreed with you...Much like OJ maybe his time will come in form of continued **** ups....
 
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j-mac said:
[video=youtube;SDTZ7iX4vTQ]Well, the jury disagreed with you...Much like OJ maybe his time will come in form of continued **** ups....
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Well they also overtried Zimmerman for Murder II... which even someone like me wouldn't have convicted GZ on.
 
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