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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Ok, gooberment bad, let her die...
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Couple problems though. IMO the only person who should decide if they can die should be the person themselves. However in this case that person is legally a minor and may not be mentally matured enough to decide for themselves. So sure it goes to the parents, but that presents a problem as well. Should a parent be allowed to make a decision for her child to let them die when a viable alternative exists?

    Think of this in more extreme terms and it would sound ridiculous. Lets say a 6 year old has a blood infection and will die without antibiotics. The parents say they don't believe in it so no, don't do it. This would not be allowed, so why is this case so much different? The state and or medical team would step in and make the right decision because the parents were deemed of unsound judgement.
    I lean in the same direction as this post. Similarly, I can accept forcing Christian Scientist parents to provide medical care for their child. Parents don't own their children and should not be allowed to injure or kill them, no matter the reason. If her chances for recovery after chemo were very poor I would allow the parents to make the decision, if I was sure that the minor agrees with the parents. I would not allow the parents to prohibit a child from getting routine treatment that the child wants.

    Teens under 18 are not allowed full freedom by law is that most of them are not inclined to make short term sacrifices for long-term benefits.

    One reason I support the government's actions in this case is that the parents seem to be influencing her in the direction of not getting treatment.


    I had a friend who had lymphoma 18 years ago and is fine now after suffering through three months of chemo. It was rough, but bearable and clearly worthwhile.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What she wants to do is equivilant to suicide. If she gets the chemo I think her recovery rate is about 80+%, if she doesnt it is less than almost none. The question in this case is why does she want to die and should society just let her? I think suicide should remain illegal.
    Truthfully, I think there's a point at which it should be OK. I don't know what that point is. If someone is 95 and has had 2 heart attacks, maybe a DNR isn't out of the question. If you've already been through the ringer medically speaking maybe it's OK to accept that you will die.

    I'm not saying that in this case the threshold has been reached. However, I do think there's a point where it's OK to let go and let nature take its course.


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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    How about this as a equivalent situation: A 17 year old has been sentenced to six months in prison, but wants to commit suicide instead of enduring prison. Would you allow that choice?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    How about this as a equivalent situation: A 17 year old has been sentenced to six months in prison, but wants to commit suicide instead of enduring prison. Would you allow that choice?
    How about this choice, A 17 year old has murdered his entire family with an axe, and has been deemed to be mentally competent, and faces the death penalty...Should it be carried out?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes an infant isn't capable but a 17 year old might be... I was curious where you draw the line?

    So you're okay with a child killing themselves because there isn't a law saying its illegal?
    In this case we don't have to draw any line, her MOTHER, her sole legal guardian is with her on this. That is enough for the state to back the **** off. And what the hell is wrong with these doctors? Since when is it cool for a doctor to compel treatment the patient doesn't want? Every one of them should lose their licenses.

    To answer your question though, the lines are already drawn. 18 is the age where the line sits. However, depending upon the state, legal emancipation can happen before that. In California you can file for emancipation at 14. You must prove adult competence.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How about this choice, A 17 year old has murdered his entire family with an axe, and has been deemed to be mentally competent, and faces the death penalty...Should it be carried out?
    I don't support the death penalty as it is done in the USA. I don't support the death penalty for minors.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    On one side, she's an idiot who can be cured. On the other, she has a right to be an idiot and die because of that. Not sure how I feel about this but I smell the anti-science stench a mile away.
    She's a minor who sounds like she's being influenced by a stupid parent who shouldn't have custody of her. Chemotherapy is hell, but death is worse. I'm glad the state made this decision. I suspect she'll be grateful for it years from now.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    She's a minor who sounds like she's being influenced by a stupid parent who shouldn't have custody of her. Chemotherapy is hell, but death is worse. I'm glad the state made this decision. I suspect she'll be grateful for it years from now.
    She sounds like the anti-science muffs you hear on the left or the right. Her language calling chemotherapy "poison" and talking about alternative treatments is pretty indicative. This is what we get in an age where there is an unhealthy distrust of science. From GMOs to vaccines, to Western medicine, there seems to be a growing segment of American society that is hellbent on ignoring science because they believe that they know better.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What the **** happened to "her body, her choice"?
    There is not a " her body ,her choice" .

    You might be confusing that with " right of privacy" , which only applies to certain zones of privacy regarding such things as marriage, child rearing, contraception, abortion, among a few others.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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