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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo






    On one side, she's an idiot who can be cured. On the other, she has a right to be an idiot and die because of that. Not sure how I feel about this but I smell the anti-science stench a mile away.
    I have to wonder what stage she is at.Depending on the stage of cancer she could most likely lead a long healthy life after a painful dangerous treatment or she might be going through a painful dangerous treatment just to extend her life for a few years with an extremely slim chance she might live a long life. If she is at a early stage then I do think until she turns 18 the state should treat her. But if all this going to do is put her through months of pain just so she might live a year or two longer then I think the state should leave her alone.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    At what age should a minor have the right to let themselves die?

    At what age is it her body her choice?

    When does it cross the line from being up to the parents and up to the state?

    Marrying, driving, and terminating a pregnancy, are very different decisions than suicide.
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    1. No clue
    2. Constitutionally from the day she is born
    3. When there is a clear case of abuse and neglect and when the child isn't old enough to make decisions about her body (which is not the case here)
    4. Her body, her choice....suicide should fall in that
    For Number #1 I don't know if there is a morally correct answer to that question. But since the law has to be practical, I would say at the parent calls the shots up to age of emancipation in whatever state is applicable.
    #2 I would say the same. The parent should have the right and ability to control their child's schedule, diet, television habits, personal hygiene, education, etc. within reason up to the age of emancipation. I am very big on the principle of it's my house and I pay the bills and therefore you will follow my rules.
    #3 Ditto
    #4 Ditto

    The only say the state should have in any of that is in the case of gross neglect or abuse or inability to parent in which case the child should always be removed from the home.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't leave anything up in the air because there is no law that can answer #1.

    Constitutionally, according to SCOTUS, a female controls her own body and has a right to make choices about her own body. An infant isn't capable of making a choice but a 17 year old is. You don't understand the difference?

    There are laws that say nobody under 21 can smoke or drink alcohol. There are laws that state the age of consent for sex (although I don't believe a 10 year old girl will get arrested for having sex, just the person who had it with her). There are laws that say children must be educated up to a certain age. So I have no idea why you are comparing them.
    Yes an infant isn't capable but a 17 year old might be... I was curious where you draw the line?

    So you're okay with a child killing themselves because there isn't a law saying its illegal?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    For Number #1 I don't know if there is a morally correct answer to that question. But since the law has to be practical, I would say at the parent calls the shots up to age of emancipation in whatever state is applicable.
    #2 I would say the same. The parent should have the right and ability to control their child's schedule, diet, television habits, personal hygiene, education, etc. within reason up to the age of emancipation. I am very big on the principle of it's my house and I pay the bills and therefore you will follow my rules.
    #3 Ditto
    #4 Ditto

    The only say the state should have in any of that is in the case of gross neglect or abuse or inability to parent in which case the child should always be removed from the home.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes an infant isn't capable but a 17 year old might be... I was curious where you draw the line?

    So you're okay with a child killing themselves because there isn't a law saying its illegal?
    A child killing himself isn't up to me unless it's one of my children.

    A 17 year old is perfectly capable of making her own decisions. When she is 17 years and 364 days old, she is one day away from being able to enter into legal contracts. They don't mature in body nor mind overnight.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    A seventeen year old spends time away from their family working, gaining life experiences, and making their own life choices, so I don't see how we can declare them incapable of making their own medical decisions. The very idea they are minors and must be forced to take treatment is idiotic.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by IceteaGreen View Post
    For me, it's the same type of case of Jehovah's witness refusing a blood transfusion for their child to save his life... I know that these cases popped once in awhile in the last few years but can't remember the outcome, so if anyone can refresh me...

    Grey area here is the girl's age: 17 is close to legal capabilities of deciding for oneself, but still below. So, and depending on previous similar cases, I would side on 'forcing' the treatment (you could also argue hippocrat's oath there )
    No. A physician is to show respect to the patients autonomy by allowing and calling for the patient to make their own decisions regarding what medical care will be provided.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What !akes it a story, is that the over-reaching government thinks she doesn't have that right and they want to use their tyrranical authority to force her to go through treatment. However, she most certainly has the right to refuse treatment.
    she is being treated against her will, so obviously she does not.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you think she should be allowed to commit suicide?
    Yes. Why shouldn't she?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you think she should be allowed to commit suicide?
    Absolutely, why not? I think *EVERYONE* should be allowed to commit suicide. It's their lives, let them live it how they want.
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