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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes. I am of the view that right to life also means right to die. It's not a simple determination, one must prove mental competency first.

    But that's not the base issue here. Do patients have the right to refuse medical treatment (or to go against medical advice). How far are the courts going to take this considering this decision that she must have involuntary chemo? If a doctor advises, "quit smoking or you will die", can the doctor then order the state to compel you to quit smoking?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Yes, but a very small one, I beleive the survival rate is very very good. I have not looked it up but I do know someone personally that had exactly the same disease and treatment at about her age. The stats I quoted was from her. She says her odds of living to a ripe old age are about the same as anyone else her age etc.
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    No it isn't. So the 10% chance she will die even if she follows the doctors proscribed course of action is what? Bad luck?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    What parent would give their child permission to die, when it almost certainly not necessary?
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    Couple problems though. IMO the only person who should decide if they can die should be the person themselves. However in this case that person is legally a minor and may not be mentally matured enough to decide for themselves. So sure it goes to the parents, but that presents a problem as well. Should a parent be allowed to make a decision for her child to let them die when a viable alternative exists?

    Think of this in more extreme terms and it would sound ridiculous. Lets say a 6 year old has a blood infection and will die without antibiotics. The parents say they don't believe in it so no, don't do it. This would not be allowed, so why is this case so much different? The state and or medical team would step in and make the right decision because the parents were deemed of unsound judgement.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Couple problems though. IMO the only person who should decide if they can die should be the person themselves. However in this case that person is legally a minor and may not be mentally matured enough to decide for themselves. So sure it goes to the parents, but that presents a problem as well. Should a parent be allowed to make a decision for her child to let them die when a viable alternative exists?

    Think of this in more extreme terms and it would sound ridiculous. Lets say a 6 year old has a blood infection and will die without antibiotics. The parents say they don't believe in it so no, don't do it. This would not be allowed, so why is this case so much different? The state and or medical team would step in and make the right decision because the parents were deemed of unsound judgement.
    She isn't 6. She's 17. Her body...her choice. The state also gives her the right to marry, drive, terminate a pregnancy, and a host of other things without her parents' consent.

    The state is out of line here. It's up to her and her parents. I do not care for big government and this is an example of why and when.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    And you are for euthanasia at will too then I take it?
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She isn't 6. She's 17. Her body...her choice. The state also gives her the right to marry, drive, terminate a pregnancy, and a host of other things without her parents' consent.

    The state is out of line here. It's up to her and her parents. I do not care for big government and this is an example of why and when.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You cant wait till she is dead then treat her for cancer.
    Is there a threat of imminent death? Hodgkins Lymphoma, which is what I believe she has, is not a very fast killing cancer.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think this is an interesting case because she is not in pain, it is not a risk v benefits issue, there is almost always a good outcome and almost always fatal without treatment. To simply not take the treatment, as far as I can see, is exactly the same as someone who is not in pain and has no terminal illness taking enough morphine ot kill himself. I am trying to figure out the difference here. The gooberment bad thing I dont think should enter the medical ethics question. Is it right or wrong to let a minor kill themselves with parental concent?
    Except it's not that cut and dried. The patient and her guardian are not seeking no treatment but to use alternate treatment. The doctors say the odds are against this, but they cannot accurately say it will not be a successful route for her to take.

    In short, the doctors and the state want to treat her their way, she and her guardian want to go another way. Neither the doctor nor the state should have the power to compel a specific treatment in the first place.

    To answer your last as a standalone question - it's not a matter of right or wrong. It's a matter of whose interests are served, the state's or the patient's. I fall on the side of the patient.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    And you are for euthanasia at will too then I take it?
    It isn't up to me to tell someone who wants to kill himself that he can't kill himself, especially if it isn't one of my minor children. If it's another adult, do what you will.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What parent would give their child permission to die, when it almost certainly not necessary?
    Doesn't really make any sense to me either.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    I am really not sure how long she has to get treatment, but that confusion does not help me think this through.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is there a threat of imminent death? Hodgkins Lymphoma, which is what I believe she has, is not a very fast killing cancer.
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