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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    First of all I would like to offer my deepest sympathy on the death of your mother and I am very sorry she suffered so much.

    Perhaps the chemo did lengthen your moms life.

    My very good friend had stage 4 breast cancer.

    She went trough a round of chemo and radiation and had 3 good years.
    In fact her doctor told her he thought she had been cured.
    When she went back for her 6 months checkup the cancer showed up throughout her body.

    Another round of chemo and within 6 months of the treatment she died.

    In most late stage cancer cases I would agree that one round of chemo can usually give the patient some quality time but repeated chemo puts the patient though too much misery and suffering for the little amount of time they prolong their life. If my friend had asked for my opinion I would have told her not to do the second round.
    Good morning Minnie and thanks for your kind thoughts - I appreciate it.

    Chemo most certainly did lengthen my mom's life. The problem is, it was a lousy life, in my mother's opinion, and in mine as well. There's a difference between being kept alive and actually living.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The girl will turn 18 in 9 months.
    Then she will be able to make her own health care decisions.
    She is allowed to make some health care decisions already per state law.

    When she turns 18, she will be able to make her own cancer treatment decisions is the correct sentence.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We had a similar case here in Canada last year, an 11 yr old native girl with acute lymphoblastic leukemia, and her mother refused chemotherapy preferring traditional native remedies and the matter went to our Supreme Court and the mother was successful in being granted the right, as her parent, to follow methods not approved by doctors or the government.

    It was reported today that she is steadily improving at this stage.
    Makayla Sault, girl who refused chemo for leukemia, dies - Aboriginal - CBC

    Makayla Sault, the 11-year-old Ontario First Nation girl who refused chemotherapy to pursue traditional indigenous medicine and other alternative treatments, has died.

    The girl died Monday after suffering a stroke Sunday.

    "Surrounded by the love and support of her family, her community and her nation … Makayla completed her course. She is now safely in the arms of Jesus," her family said in a statement published by the Two Row Times.
    Makayla was given a 75 per cent chance of survival when she was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) in March. She underwent 11 weeks of chemotherapy at McMaster Children’s Hospital in Hamilton.
    Although her family claims her death was due to chemotherapy, in September, a McMaster oncologist testified at a hearing on a similar case of a First Nations girl refusing cancer treatment that Makayla had suffered a relapse. The doctor also testified that there are no known cases of survival of this type of leukemia without a full course of chemotherapy treatment.
    - You really have to wonder just how stupid these parents are.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Here is the kicker people:

    Makayla Sault, girl who refused chemo for leukemia, dies - Aboriginal - CBC

    The girl's mother said her daughter received cold laser therapy, Vitamin C injections and a strict raw food diet, among other therapies at Hippocrates.
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...people-astray/

    After two rounds of chemotherapy, Stephanie decided to look into alternative medicine as an option. The brave young Limerick woman then discovered the Hippocrates Health Institute in Florida and was given hope by its director, Dr Brian Clement.
    Why did I highlight Dr. Brian Clement, well, here is the asshole in question:



    Who is he?

    Florida spa that treated First Nations girls with cancer faces lawsuits from ex-staff - Aboriginal - CBC

    A Florida health spa, popular with many Canadians battling cancer and other serious illnesses, is being sued by former staff who allege the company's president is operating "a scam under Florida law" and practising medicine without a licence.

    ....

    He and his wife, Anna Maria, a co-director of the institute, are named in at least three separate lawsuits filed recently in Palm Beach County.
    Here is what he is selling:

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...people-astray/

    All you need to know about this particularly ridiculous form of quackery, I’ve written about before. Suffice to say, the “toxins” that such footbaths supposedly remove through the feet don’t exist, and the water would change color regardless of whether a mark customer has her feet in the water or not. Of course, detox footbaths aren’t all. There’s also intravenous vitamin therapy, cranial electrotherapy stimulation, combination infrared waves plus oxygen, acupuncture, colon hydrotherapy (apparently with or without wheatgrass) and lymphatic drainage. There’s so much there, that the über-quack Joe Mercola featured Dr. Clement on his website a mere three weeks ago:
    Stupid parents + scam artists pretending to be doctors + quack science = dead kids. I'll continue to post these as they come, no doubt, there will be a few more dead kids until asshole parents like these and the con artists who scam them disappear thanks to either Darwinism of their own sheer stupidity.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Meanwhile in Canada:

    Canadian girl dead after abandoning chemo for faith based alternative

    Canadian girl dead after abandoning chemo for faith based alternative
    January 20, 2015 by Michael Stone 6 Comments

    Tragic ignorance: Makayla Sault, an 11-year-old Canadian girl who refused chemotherapy treatments in favor of faith based alternatives after “seeing a vision of Jesus,” is dead.

    Suffering from acute lymphoblastic leukemia, Sault had a 75% chance of survival with chemotherapy. However, Sault, under the guidance of her parents, petitioned her doctors to stop chemotherapy treatments after her “vision of Jesus.”

    The treating hospital referred Sault’s case to the authorities,who ultimately decided that Sault would be allowed to abandon modern medicine for ineffective alternative treatments, effectively sentencing the child to death.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    You know, this story reminds me of my own childhood. When I was a kid, I use to be infatuated with flying. I remember asking my mom if I could keep pigeons and she said that was fine. I only had one. Then, one day at around 8-9, I got the idea that I should try flying. I asked my mom if it would be okay for me to climb to the roof of the house and attempt to fly. My mom said "hell to the fn no" and beat me like a redheaded stepchild. Moral of the story: Just because a kid comes up with an idea doesn't mean the parent should "honor their wishes". Parents need to demonstrate some kind of basic rectitude, logic, and intellect. When they so blatantly fail to do so, the welfare of the child is a stake. If my mom had let me climb up unto that roof and anything had happened to me, she would have been sent to jail. Why isn't that happening in this case?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    When there are people in need there will always be parasites like Clement who will try and take advantage of their sitation. He's the lowest of low - selling false hope to cancer patients.

    Morally repulsive and just beyond disgusting.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    When there are people in need there will always be parasites like Clement who will try and take advantage of their sitation. He's the lowest of low - selling false hope to cancer patients.

    Morally repulsive and just beyond disgusting.
    In America, these people are enabled by the ignorant and anti-science drones that inhabit the right and left. I won't go as far as saying that there was a 100% chance of this kid surviving from cancer with chemo, what I know is that there is no reported case of anybody ever surviving cancer because of Vitamin C injections. I also know that 75% chance of survival is far better than 0% chance of survival. That's borderline snake oil bull****. The fact that the parents "honored" the wishes of a child who "saw Jesus" is, to me, a sign that these people are too damn incompetent and ignorant to be in charge of children.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Makayla Sault, girl who refused chemo for leukemia, dies - Aboriginal - CBC







    - You really have to wonder just how stupid these parents are.
    Yes, I just read this last evening. A very sad situation. The line seems to be moving related to what is appropriate parental discretion when it comes to the care of a child and what is neglect and/or effectively child abuse. As someone who believes in "free choice" in a variety of areas related to individual, personal life decisions, I find myself also hating some of this type of free choice decision as I do in some abortion decisions. In order to stay true to principle I have to accept that sometimes the outcomes are not what I would hope or wish but still must be respected.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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