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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The government does and that is all that matters (though drinking soy-mango juice instead of chemo is more dangerous in the mind of someone who heard this case).
    Why do you refuse to state your opinion?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Why do you refuse to state your opinion?
    I have stated it multiple times in multiple ways. Until she turns 18 she has no rights, and even then, she only has the rights the government says she has. Even beyond that, she and her parents are idiots to think there is some herbal cure out there.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I have stated it multiple times in multiple ways. Until she turns 18 she has no rights, and even then, she only has the rights the government says she has. Even beyond that, she and her parents are idiots to think there is some herbal cure out there.
    So you are advocating state control in a case where even I admit the need for free choice. That should give you pause.

    And that a right is unjustly unrecognized by civil tyrants does not mean it is not a right under natural law.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I have stated it multiple times in multiple ways. Until she turns 18 she has no rights, and even then, she only has the rights the government says she has. Even beyond that, she and her parents are idiots to think there is some herbal cure out there.
    I hope I never live in that US...Although seems we do get closer to that every day, and the willing blind encourage it.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So you are advocating state control in a case where even I admit the need for free choice. That should give you pause.

    And that a right is unjustly unrecognized by civil tyrants does not mean it is not a right under natural law.
    Natural Law doesn't have handcuffs. Nothing gives me pause any more in politics. As for this issue, I have encountered people who have had their children taken away for lesser health conditions and I will tell them to their face they are idiots for seeing medicines as "poisons" when they are not the ones who are suffering the effects of not being properly managed on medicine.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hope I never live in that US...Although seems we do get closer to that every day, and the willing blind encourage it.
    You have always lived in that US if you have always lived in the US.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Natural Law doesn't have handcuffs. Nothing gives me pause any more in politics. As for this issue, I have encountered people who have had their children taken away for lesser health conditions and I will tell them to their face they are idiots for seeing medicines as "poisons" when they are not the ones who are suffering the effects of not being properly managed on medicine.
    1. She is the one suffering the effects.

    2. Chemotherapy is harmful. It is also beneficial, but it is most certainly harmful.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You have always lived in that US if you have always lived in the US.
    Nope..That is not true at all...It is only I would say in the last 20 years or so that this has been rising...
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope..That is not true at all...It is only I would say in the last 20 years or so that this has been rising...
    I was a child in the late 50s /early 60s when I heard on the news the state stepped in because a Christian Scientist family who lived in our area would not get medical care for their sick child.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I have stated it multiple times in multiple ways. Until she turns 18 she has no rights, and even then, she only has the rights the government says she has. Even beyond that, she and her parents are idiots to think there is some herbal cure out there.
    That's not true. How can you not know that?

    All people in the U.S. have rights. Even children. If you don't think so, try not getting your child health care when he's seriously ill. The govt will step in (as in this case), and make sure he gets it.. Try beating up your child. You'll find out fast that the child has rights as to his own body. A child has the right to an education in this country. No parent has the right to prevent a child from receiving an education. A child has the right to support from his parents. Try not feeding and providing some sort of shelter for your child. Try not paying child support. Children also have freedom of speech rights. Not sure about freedom of worship.

    Children do have rights. Maybe not the right to refuse care that would string his death out longer. Not sure. But if I understand, the care being forced won't save the kid's life. The girl is terminally ill. It will merely extend the inevitable for a while. I think I read it'd extend it for about 6 months, but I'm not sure.
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