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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Whether that's true or not isn't the key issue IMO - in this case the patient is a minor child. If YOU want to eat raisins soaked in gin as "cancer drugs," great, best of luck. It's different if you recommend that as treatment for your minor child with cancer when very EFFECTIVE alternatives exist and have proven to work.
    I think it is an important issue, it reared it's ugly head immediately in this thread when people started tossing around insults, like anyone who didn't want to live was a mental case.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think it is an important issue, it reared it's ugly head immediately in this thread when people started tossing around insults, like anyone who didn't want to live was a mental case.
    I do not think that is the issue in this case.
    The issue is she is a minor and has been deemed by the court to not be mature enough to legally decide her health care choice.

    She never said she wants to die.
    She just said she did not want the treatments even though she knows she will die without the treatments.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I do not think that is the issue in this case.
    The issue is she is a minor and has been deemed by the court to not be mature enough to legally decide her health care choice.

    She never said she wants to die.
    She just said she did not want the treatments even though she knows she will die without the treatments.
    According the OP Cassandra said she knows she will die without the chemo.

    Yet in another article she opens up and writes that she wants treatment for her cancer just not chemo.


    She wrote she’s not looking to avoid treating her Hodgkin’s lymphoma altogether.

    “I always tell people I do want treatment for my cancer, I just don’t believe in the chemotherapy,” wrote Cassandra. “I want something more natural, something that’s not drugs. If the court decided to let me go, I would look into natural remedies that would stop the growth of the cancer. I would take vitamins and remedies that fight inflammation. I would eat healthy and go to the gym, and I would still monitor the cancer with regular scans.”


    While Cassandra doesn’t want the toxic chemicals in her body, she acknowledges they may be doing more good than bad.

    “The side effects I’ve had are mild to none so far, besides hair loss, acne, and tiredness,” wrote Cassandra. “My oncologist believes I am responding well. That doesn’t mean as the chemo continues things won’t get worse, but I’m more concerned about the long-term side effects, and also the fact that I don’t want these drugs in my body, but they are and it disgusts me.”
    It sounds to me like Cassandra wants live.
    She is just scared of the chemo treatments.

    Cancer is very scary.
    But as far as cancer goes Hodgkins is one of the cancers with the highest cure rate when treated early.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not saying I agree with their decision but if she waits until she's 18, her system has already been poisoned by the chemo.
    Which makes what difference?

    Either she'll be in remission by then and 30 years later When she's holding her grandchild she'll wonder why she was so silly, or she won't have had enough chemo walk away from treatment and whither away and die suffering from cancer.

    This is not really a controversial case, if she were standing in the street with a pistol to her head no one would be talking about the police trying to talk her down or get her to turn herself in for Suicide watch. We need to see it this way, she will recover with treatment and will not without it, this is attempted suicide just like leaning over a bridge or sticking a gun in her mouth
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There have been cases where they have gone to prison after seeing their children die because they refused. This is rare outside of cases where the parents have already had children die, or if they belonged to churches where this is a long-standing problem and other people have had children die because of their refusal.

    Still, this doesn't address my basic question which has nothing to do with this case at all, that if we're going to accept bodily autonomy, then whether someone lives or dies is entirely up to them, yet there are a lot of people out there who are so terrified of death that they're willing to assert that anyone who isn't just as terrified as they are has something wrong with them.
    The problem with choosing death is that it is not a reversible decision. That is why I have no problem with limiting that option to adults.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The problem with choosing death is that it is not a reversible decision. That is why I have no problem with limiting that option to adults.

    So what? It isn't the problem of anyone but the one making the decision. Even among adults, attempting suicide is still illegal in most states. Why does the state concern itself over who wants to die and who does not?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    In this case Cassandra does not want to die.
    She just fantisizes that there is cure for Hodkins without Chemo.
    She wants a natural remedy using vitamins , exercise and healthy eating to cure her Hodgkins.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then what is the vested interest in keeping this girl alive, especially when the girl and her parents don't want her to be? Please explain.
    She's a minor, and can easily live a healthy life after treatment. This isn't remotely similar to a 90 year old with a terminal condition. The state has a vested interest in protecting future generations. (Please don't expand this into some black and white bull**** again.)

    She's a minor, and therefore not sole arbiter of her healthcare decisions.

    Her parents are making a decision that will definitely kill her, and oddly enough parents aren't allowed to do that. You are not allowed to definitely kill your own child with hippie bull**** any more than you are allowed to do it with a knife.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So what? It isn't the problem of anyone but the one making the decision. Even among adults, attempting suicide is still illegal in most states. Why does the state concern itself over who wants to die and who does not?
    People see value in life. I'm sorry this concept is so foreign to you.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So what? It isn't the problem of anyone but the one making the decision. .....
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