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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well she wouldn't be a prisoner if she had just went to the chemo therapy appointments like she agreed to, and if her mom wasn't some hippie anti-science freak. The day she turns 18 she can tear off the chemo tubes and walk right out the door and tell then she's a minor in the state has to protect her interests
    I'm not saying I agree with their decision but if she waits until she's 18, her system has already been poisoned by the chemo.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I don't know but even she became emancipated that would not make her an adult.
    It would only mean her parents would no longer be her legal guardians and she would have a new one appointed to her by the court.


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    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/emancipation_of_minors
    Let me just tell you, lots of 17 yr olds living on their own right now in America without a court appointed minder. I moved out of my dad's house at 17. I'm just fine thanks.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me just tell you, lots of 17 yr olds living on their own right now in America without a court appointed minder. I moved out of my dad's house at 17. I'm just fine thanks.
    Of course there are a lot 17 year olds living on their own.
    But if a minor goes through the emancipation process they are assigned a guardian unless the court deems them competent enough to be considered an adult.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I have read several different articles about this case and the father was never mentioned.

    Do you have a link where her father says he doesn't want his daughter to receive treatment?
    I don't know if the father is involved or alive or whatever to be honest. Certainly we haven't seen stories saying he objects.

    However, that still doesn't answer why the state took any interest in this particular case. Who cares if she's immature? For a lot of people, simply saying she'd rather die is a sign of immaturity. The thought of suicide terrifies a lot of people and any suggestion that death is better than life for a particular individual is a sign of a mental problem. I reject that idea.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    1) The girl is a minor and every state has provisions to protect the health and welfare of minors.
    Which is fine but the state rarely involves itself in other cases where the health and welfare of a minor is harmed by a parent's religious beliefs, for instance. Is it just because this isn't a religious case?

    2) The mother is proving herself to be incapable of making responsible medical decisions on her daughter's behalf, per the opinion of the judges plural who have heard this case and judged it on the merits, based on the evidence in front of them.
    Define "responsible medical decisions". Is that any medical decision where the daughter is not forced to remain alive at any cost?

    3) Once she reaches the age of 18, she can eat shelled pistachios and drink lime flavored sparkling water and pretend that it's a natural treatment for cancer, and the state will not intervene.
    I'm not so sure about that. I guess we'll find out once she's 18.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Of course there are a lot 17 year olds living on their own.
    But if a minor goes through the emancipation process they are assigned a guardian unless the court deems them competent enough to be considered an adult.
    Not if she had simply moved out.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know if the father is involved or alive or whatever to be honest. Certainly we haven't seen stories saying he objects.

    However, that still doesn't answer why the state took any interest in this particular case. .......
    This article has some good info about the case including why the state took interest in this cae.


    3) Why would the state intervene?

    DCF, acting on behalf of the state, says it's obligated to intervene in this case. It's their duty to act when a child would die if medical decisions were left up to the parent. DCF's decision is based on experts — in this case, the doctors who diagnosed and are treating Cassandra who all agree she needs the chemo. To step in, DCF had to win temporary custody of Cassandra.

    "Even if the decision might result in criticism; we have an obligation to protect the life of the child when there is consensus among the medical experts," DCF said in a recent statement.
    Why a 17-year-old with cancer is being forced to undergo chemo against her will - Vox
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not if she had simply moved out.
    You asked me about emancipation.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    This article has some good info about the case including why the state took interest in this cae.
    Kids die all the time. Why this particular case? Why should the state care at all? There are lots of kids. They don't pay attention to all of them. They ignore religious parents who kill their kids with faith healing most of the time, it's only on rare occasions that they get involved, usually after they've killed a bunch of kids in the past.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    This article has some good info about the case including why the state took interest in this cae.



    Why a 17-year-old with cancer is being forced to undergo chemo against her will - Vox
    So, just as I suspected. Saying a judge ruled her incompetent was not true. The judge refused to consider the mature minor doctrine as a loophole to take over. Simply on emotional grounds.
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