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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And that'll be a good thing....Like I said, if this is all the story, then you're right....But, I reserve the right to remain watchful...Certainly you have no problem with that?
    Yes, I hope you continue to be watchful for parents trying to kill their children with hippie bull****.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's called life support, not death support. Nobody supports the death of infants (that I know anyway). No, this also wasn't to "hold off death". It was about making a decision on the viability of a quality life.

    And the young lady at the center of this story also wants nature to take its course.
    She's a minor and therefore legally not sole decision maker in her own fate.

    Not sure what the state's rights have to do with this. Do you always agree with every ruling made by judges? I don't. I don't know anyone who is a bobblehead for the courts. They are humans - judges aren't infallible.
    Judges aren't infallible but this one made a decision based on the best medical advice available, weighed carefully against the rights of the patient.

    The patient was making an objectively bad decision based on her idiot mother filling her head with a bunch of hippie bull**** which put her in mortal danger.

    You don't have a right to kill your child with hippie bull**** any more than you have a right to kill them with a knife.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, I hope you continue to be watchful for parents trying to kill their children with hippie bull****.
    Yep, and just remember that with your posting here you cement your true use for women...You don't give two ****s about them or their bodies as long as the political argument you're making can benefit from using their plights...The true "war on women" comes straight from those like you Deuce....You, and your progressive brethren have shown your ass..Congrats.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and just remember that with your posting here you cement your true use for women...You don't give two ****s about them or their bodies as long as the political argument you're making can benefit from using their plights...The true "war on women" comes straight from those like you Deuce....You, and your progressive brethren have shown your ass..Congrats.
    Yo j-mac, can you tell us why a person supporting this woman's reproductive rights would necessarily have to apply those arguments to other cases that don't involve reproductive rights?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and just remember that with your posting here you cement your true use for women...You don't give two ****s about them or their bodies as long as the political argument you're making can benefit from using their plights...The true "war on women" comes straight from those like you Deuce....You, and your progressive brethren have shown your ass..Congrats.


    Yeah, "don't kill your own kid" is some evil political plot of mine.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are conflating "unhealthy diet" with "she must have this treatment for a fatal illness or she will die."

    Really, dude?
    Who cares if she dies? Seriously, what vested interest does the state have in keeping absolutely every living human being alive for as long as possible, especially if they don't want to be. This is just the absurd and immature terror of death that most people have, that they don't want anyone to die, ever.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Alright, we agree on the principle!! As to this case, it's an easy one IMO, but I certainly understand that reasonable minds can differ.

    But in fact she was removed from her mother's custody and confined to a hospital.
    She was ordered into the hospital to receive treatment. She was not removed from her mother's custody. Understand the difference.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If she wanted to commit suicide to avoid a six moth prison sentence would you support allowing her to do that?

    You can't predict cancer with complete accuracy but you can use statistics to know what is most likely to happen.
    You can ask me the same question 2874 different ways and with different hypotheticals attached, and my answer will be the same. I would support allowing her to do whatever she wants with her body. It isn't my call - or yours - to decide who lives and who dies.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You are welcome, and back at you, TB!

    Your mother gave good advice and I would take it myself if I were to find myself in that position. I understand, no one wants to just give in, but chemo is so destructive and it doesn't only attack the cancer. They both were diagnosed at stage 4 lung cancer. It's hard to discern which are symptoms of cancer and which are side-effects of chemo because in addition to what you mentioned, they had/have sores in their mouths and couldn't eat and pre-existing health problems (in my still living family member) have been greatly exacerbated. Why radiate lung cancer when it eliminates good lung tissue with the bad making it even more difficult to breathe when it will not cure the cancer?

    I agree. It is a very personal choice and one no one should be forced into, either way (in case euthanasia comes up).

    Thank you, TB. I appreciate your kindness and good thoughts. It's a helpless position to be in, and not just for the suffering.
    Yes, you understand completely, Gina. It's so hard to differentiate between where the cancer symptoms occur and where the chemo/radiation side effects occur, which was exactly my mother's frustration.

    It's one of the most personal choices we as humans can make. We make the choices for our pets all of the time. When we develop cognitive thinking skills, we all seem to understand the concept of "quality of life". It's a deeply personal decision.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    She's a minor and therefore legally not sole decision maker in her own fate.



    Judges aren't infallible but this one made a decision based on the best medical advice available, weighed carefully against the rights of the patient.

    The patient was making an objectively bad decision based on her idiot mother filling her head with a bunch of hippie bull**** which put her in mortal danger.

    You don't have a right to kill your child with hippie bull**** any more than you have a right to kill them with a knife.
    You're correct, she's a minor. And her mother, who is not a minor and is in fact her legal guardian, is the other decision maker in her life.

    Hippies are free to do as they chose. You aren't the arbiter of what is "hippie bull****" and what isn't. Let the state raise your kids if that works for you, but don't expect other parents to be interested in your opinions.
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