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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Until the chemo success rate is 100%, your claim that refusing it "leads to death" is false
    My claim? That's HER claim. The RULING is based on whether she has the capacity to determine what is best for herself given the evidence she has. Given that she made the "false" statement that refusing chemo will lead to death, do you believe her opinion should be taken into consideration on this matter? Here it is again:

    APNewsBreak: Girl Says She Knows She'll Die Without Chemo - ABC News

    She said by text she understands "death is the outcome of refusing chemo"
    Again, her words not mine. Now that you can't avoid the fact that she's making false claims about her condition, is she still capable of making this decision anymore than a 9 year old saying the same things would be?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    We are talking about a medical procedure. There is no guarantee that she will die without it, ....
    There is a guarantee that she will die without treatment.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There is a guarantee that she will die without treatment.
    And it's our business...why again? And there's a guarantee that she is going to die anyway. We all do. What right does someone else have to decide that she can't die on her terms and when she chooses to.

    Will she die in a year? 2? 5? 7? The fact is, nobody knows. Nobody can predict cancer.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And it's our business...why again? And there's a guarantee that she is going to die anyway. We all do. What right does someone else have to decide that she can't die on her terms and when she chooses to.

    Will she die in a year? 2? 5? 7? The fact is, nobody knows. Nobody can predict cancer.
    Never said it was my business.

    But I do know that dying from Hodgkins is a very painful death.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    My claim? That's HER claim. The RULING is based on whether she has the capacity to determine what is best for herself given the evidence she has. Given that she made the "false" statement that refusing chemo will lead to death, do you believe her opinion should be taken into consideration on this matter? Here it is again:

    APNewsBreak: Girl Says She Knows She'll Die Without Chemo - ABC News



    Again, her words not mine. Now that you can't avoid the fact that she's making false claims about her condition, is she still capable of making this decision anymore than a 9 year old saying the same things would be?
    Her words, her thoughts, her body, her life. I can't make it any more clear than that. You applaud strangers deciding what she should force into her body that she doesn't want and that her parents don't want. I don't.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Never said it was my business.

    But I do know that dying from Hodgkins is a very painful death.
    So is dying while getting chemotherapy treatments. I saw it first hand with my mother.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know why you're talking about alternative medicine. I'm not.
    Because that's what the parent stated was what they were going with. I'm crazy like that, I talk about stuff in the thread, unlike abortion, which has nothing to do with the thread.

    Does a parent have a right to decide if a child lives or not? You have to ask me that question? My sister delivered a baby that was being kept alive by machines and she & my brother in law signed the order to turn off the machines and let their daughter die.
    The child was being "kept alive" by machines? Do you know what clinically dead is or are you playing coy?

    So yes, they decided that baby would not live.
    Still playing coy I see. Carry on.

    If I were a mother in that situation I would have made the same decision. And Karen Ann Quinlan's parents were not allowed to make the same decision initially when their daughter was declared brain dead, and had to wait years for the NJ Court to rule in their favor. So there isn't really an answer to that, is there?
    You know, if you're going to take this to an extreme, suit yourself. What was asked was whether parents decided whether a child that has a perfectly fine chance to die or live, not whether some brain dead shadow of a person's parents get to decide whether to accept medical reality and keep a child on death support indefinitely.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Her words, her thoughts, her body, her life. I can't make it any more clear than that. You applaud strangers deciding what she should force into her body that she doesn't want and that her parents don't want. I don't.
    Still making this flawed claim after it has been proven that she is not old enough to make those decisions under CT law? Good.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what right does anyone else have to decide what "shot" she has and how long she's supposed to live? This is like a Death Panel in reverse. Instead of deciding who dies, the government decides who lives.
    She's a minor child - that's where the "right" originates, same as if this person was an infant living in a crack house. The principle is straightforward.

    That doesn't bother Liberals apparently. It should. The government shouldn't be playing God and they shouldn't be playing doctor. You approve of them doing both.
    If she was 18, it would bother me. She's not. And they're not "playing God" - they're protecting the interests of minor children in their state, which is, IMO, an entirely appropriate role of the state. What liberal philosophy would find otherwise? Libertarians would embrace your point of view....

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because that's what the parent stated was what they were going with. I'm crazy like that, I talk about stuff in the thread, unlike abortion, which has nothing to do with the thread.



    The child was being "kept alive" by machines? Do you know what clinically dead is or are you playing coy?



    Still playing coy I see. Carry on.



    You know, if you're going to take this to an extreme, suit yourself. What was asked was whether parents decided whether a child that has a perfectly fine chance to lies dies or lives, not whether some brain dead shadow of a person's parents get to decide whether to accept medical reality and keep a child on death support indefinitely.
    My niece was not "clinically dead". And it's called "life support", not "death support". A conscious child born with a poor prognosis for a quality life. That isn't a child considered "clinically dead" nor was she brain dead.

    You asked the question if a parent gets to decide if a child lives or dies. I said there was no answer because you can list situations where the parents most certainly do get to decide. My sister and her husband decided to let nature take its course. That is exactly what the parents of this young lady and also what she herself have decided.

    You can talk about alternative medicine all you want. I have no idea why you brought it into a post exchange with me. I wasn't posting about alternative medicine. My posts and my opinion was clear.
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