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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bad Pro-Choice Arguments
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    Ignoring the context in which the statement is used everyday, so you can apply it to this issue, is a pretty terrible strategy. My body, my choice is a slogan on reproductive rights, not consent/denial of medical procedure.
    I'll use this in the Abortion section and say that you're arguing to prohibit the use of "my body my choice" because the bottom line is this isn't about her body or her choice....it's only "her body her abortion". The pro-lifers will be able to use this argument.

    "My body, my terminating of a fetus". Let's call it what it is and agree that there is no such thing as "My body, my choice". I'm all for taking the word "choice" out of the discussions. And to read many of you in this thread, none of you believed medical procedures were ever a woman's "choice" in the first place. The government has given a woman the right to terminate a fetus' chance at life. But she has no choice to deny injecting her body with drugs she doesn't want.

    In other words, people are too stupid to make their own decisions so you want Uncle Sam and Big Brother to make them for them, and if they think it's a good decision, that's A-Okay with you.

    I'm fine with that. At least you're honest.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    That depends on what state she lives in.
    She lives in CT. She can have one at the age of 16 without her parents' consent.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why do you keep inserting abortion into an issue that has nothing to do with abortion?
    Unlike you, I believe a woman has a right to make decisions on her own body. That's why I'm pro-choice. That's why I oppose the state ordering this young woman to have a medical procedure she doesn't want.

    You want government to control women's bodies. I don't.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'll use this in the Abortion section and say that you're arguing to prohibit the use of "my body my choice" because the bottom line is this isn't about her body or her choice....it's only "her body her abortion".
    I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. You'll use the fact that my body, my choice applies to the abortion debate alone, in a forum where people are arguing just that? Well, okie dokie. This thread has nothing to do with abortion. Why do you have such an issue with that?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The good thing is you're an adult, and so the state will happily allow you to die of treatable cancer! But this person is a minor....
    And her parents are her legal guardians. Adult legal guardians. And unlike you, I don't believe that judges and politicians are more equipped to raise my children than I am. Let them raise yours and decide what's best for your kids. I side with the parents here.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Unlike you, I believe a woman has a right to make decisions on her own body.
    Yes, once she is a legal and consenting party. As the CT Supreme Court ruled, she isn't old enough to consent/deny this procedure even though she's old enough to do so regarding other procedures. This reinforces my claim that CT court looks at this issue on a case by case matter and not with a sweeping law regarding all medical treatment.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. You'll use the fact that my body, my choice applies to the abortion debate alone, in a forum where people are arguing just that? Well, okie dokie. This thread has nothing to do with abortion. Why do you have such an issue with that?
    This thread has to do with her body. You don't seem to understand that in your efforts to support judges and politicians making decisions on what a young woman does with her body. I doubt I'd see you in the Abortion section posting the same thing.

    Just pointing out the hypocrisy. I'm pro-choice, and that's why I'm not a hypocrite.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, once she is a legal and consenting party. As the CT Supreme Court ruled, she isn't old enough to consent/deny this procedure even though she's old enough to do so regarding other procedures. This reinforces my claim that CT court looks at this issue on a case by case matter and not with a sweeping law regarding all medical treatment.
    Show me the CT law that says a minor is required to accept any medical treatment that he/she/the parents don't want. That's right, there isn't one.

    So in other words, strangers are making a decision for this young woman, opposing her wishes and her parents' wishes, arbitrarily. And at the same time taking away her right to do with her body what she wishes.

    You think that's fine. I don't.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    At seventeen if my daughter makes a decision towards her own person I'm going to respect it. Why? Because in my mind a seventeen year old is more than equipped to make their own choices. Just because she makes an unwise decision does not mean she is not equipped to make her own choices, and if it did, then frankly, I question if most adults should be considered adults.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, once she is a legal and consenting party. As the CT Supreme Court ruled, she isn't old enough to consent/deny this procedure even though she's old enough to do so regarding other procedures. This reinforces my claim that CT court looks at this issue on a case by case matter and not with a sweeping law regarding all medical treatment.
    So a seventeen year old is unable to consent? Exactly how do you come to that conclusion? What exactly is different in a person between the ages of seventeen and eighteen? I don't know about you, but I was more or less the same person I was at eighteen that I was seventeen. A year of difference does not cause a person to mature. Time itself in fact has nothing to do with it.

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