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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering Connecticut state law, it actually does. Why do you have a problem with Connecticut state law? Do you live there or something?
    I don't live there. I'm pointing out the state's hypocrisy. It believes it gets to pick and choose when a woman has a right to her own medical decisions. You think that's okay. I don't. I'm not a slave to the state and don't encourage them attempting to do my thinking for me.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    "My choice, my body" applies to abortion and abortion alone. Do you deny that? Or do you feel parents get to decide whether a child dies? I mean, what's next? If the parent religiously indoctrinates their child and makes them believe that pedophilia is fine, the state shouldn't step in either because it's their body, their choice?
    Says who?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's as I previously stated - it would depend on the situation. It may be neglect or it may not.

    That's their choice. You don't like people to have choices?
    Oh, I believe in choices, as long as they don't harm the child. You seem to be supportive of them, because "choices" like depriving a child of food, can be interpreted be in the best interest of the child, given the right conditions. That you refused to answer the question is pretty telling.

    So a parent and child do not have the ability to choose a lower survival rate in your opinion, without the state forcing them to make a decision they don't want. Very authoritarian - but for their own good I'm sure.

    Forcing chemo = "help ensure the safety of children".
    When their case is for "alternative medicines" and the labeling of "chemotherapy" as "poison", then it's clear that the parent doesn't have the child's best interest in mind and so the decision made by the child and parent is not in the child's best interest period. If they had something along the lines of "we'll try radiotherapy" or "bone marrow transplant" or hell, any decision which could be clearly examined as them having an iota of what it is they're discussing, I would have been right by them. However, it's clear that they're not. They're simply spouting hippy anti-science nonsense.

    And unless there is immediate danger in the form of injury or death - I disagree. Which is where we started this conversation.
    And if you're unable to determine whether that injury/death is immediate, let the child die? Yes?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's My Body: How to Respond to the Pro-Choice Argument - LifeTeen.com for Catholic Youth
    My body, my choice: from now on, abortion rights must be fought for from first principles
    Life Training Institute Five Minute 12

    Pretty much everyone discussing this issue.



    Of course it does, your contention was that the parent can make the child belief what they want, as both of them approve of what is taking place, the state shouldn't step in.
    So all the rhetoric about abortion being a "choice" and a woman's right to Privacy being important and it's wrong for a man to tell a woman what decisions she should be making on her body....all of those attacks on the pro-life crowd that never mention the word "abortion" but claim all of these other things....bottom line is, it's all about abortion and abortion alone.

    Got it. So then the words "pro-choice" are horse****. The only proper term is "pro-abortion".
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Says who?
    Bad Pro-Choice Arguments
    It's My Body: How to Respond to the Pro-Choice Argument - LifeTeen.com for Catholic Youth
    Life Training Institute Five Minute 12
    I am afraid of this indisputable pro-choice argument - The Matt Walsh Blog
    What Both Sides of the Abortion Debate Can Learn from "My Body, My Choice" | Shameless Popery

    Ignoring the context in which the statement is used everyday, so you can apply it to this issue, is a pretty terrible strategy. My body, my choice is a slogan on reproductive rights, not consent/denial of medical procedure.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, I believe in choices, as long as they don't harm the child. You seem to be supportive of them, because "choices" like depriving a child of food, can be interpreted be in the best interest of the child, given the right conditions. That you refused to answer the question is pretty telling.



    When their case is for "alternative medicines" and the labeling of "chemotherapy" as "poison", then it's clear that the parent doesn't have the child's best interest in mind and so the decision made by the child and parent is not in the child's best interest period. If they had something along the lines of "we'll try radiotherapy" or "bone marrow transplant" or hell, any decision which could be clearly examined as them having an iota of what it is they're discussing, I would have been right by them. However, it's clear that they're not. They're simply spouting hippy anti-science nonsense.



    And if you're unable to determine whether that injury/death is immediate, let the child die? Yes?
    I thought food was considered by the left to be a basic fundamental right. Now you're calling food a "choice"? Is providing food to a child a choice or does the child have a right to food?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So all the rhetoric about abortion being a "choice" and a woman's right to Privacy being important and it's wrong for a man to tell a woman what decisions she should be making on her body....all of those attacks on the pro-life crowd that never mention the word "abortion" but claim all of these other things....bottom line is, it's all about abortion and abortion alone.

    Got it. So then the words "pro-choice" are horse****. The only proper term is "pro-abortion".
    Why do you keep inserting abortion into an issue that has nothing to do with abortion?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't live there. I'm pointing out the state's hypocrisy. It believes it gets to pick and choose when a woman has a right to her own medical decisions. You think that's okay. I don't. I'm not a slave to the state and don't encourage them attempting to do my thinking for me.
    The good thing is you're an adult, and so the state will happily allow you to die of treatable cancer! But this person is a minor....

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I thought food was considered by the left to be a basic fundamental right. Now you're calling food a "choice"? Is providing food to a child a choice or does the child have a right to food?
    How you got that out of my statement is beyond me. Ockham argued that a parent depriving a child of food was a choice they have a right to make, I argued the opposite.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    An abortion is a medical treatment. As a 17 year old she could have an abortion without her parents' consent.
    That depends on what state she lives in.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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