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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, Of course there isn't....This is just a teenage girl that doesn't want to experience the discomfort of the treatment, and a mom who can't be adult enough to step in and get her to see the consequences of her decisions....I notice also that an article posted earlier (hat tip Minnie) said that the remission rate was 85% for 5 years....What about after that? What is the success rate after that? In the end I agree that she should get the chemo, but I just don't agree that the State should be forcing her at the point of a gun to do it.
    10 year survival rates is 80 percent.

    After 10 years they consider the patient as cured.

    My good friend who was in his 20s and in med school ( now a retired MD ) diagnosed himself as having Hodgkins.
    He had the Chemo over 45 years ago and is now enjoying his retirement.

    Here are some stats

    The American Cancer Society’s estimates for Hodgkin disease in the United States for 2014 are:

    About 9,190 new cases (4,120 in females and 5,070 in males)
    About 1,180 deaths (510 females, 670 males) from this cancer
    Hodgkin disease can occur in both children and adults. It is most common in early adulthood (ages 15 to 40, especially in a person’s 20s), where it is mostly of the nodular sclerosis subtype, and in late adulthood (after age 55), where the mixed cellularity subtype is more common. Hodgkin disease is rare in children younger than 5 years of age. About 10% to 15% of cases are diagnosed in children and teenagers.

    Because of advances in treatment, survival rates have improved in the past few decades.

    The 1-year relative survival rate for all patients diagnosed with Hodgkin disease is now about 92%; the 5-year and 10-year survival rates are about 85% and 80%, respectively.

    Certain factors such as the stage (extent) of Hodgkin disease and a person’s age affect these rates. For more detailed survival rates based on the stage of disease, as well as a discussion of other factors that affect survival, see the section “Survival rates for Hodgkin disease by stage.”
    What are the key statistics about Hodgkin disease?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So what you're saying is that you'd be okay with paying a few more hundred bucks in taxes for say the... "40 million" supposedly aborted fetuses? Correct?
    No, I'm saying that we already do...So you're premise is a strawman.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I'm saying that we already do...So you're premise is a strawman.
    We're paying for 40 million fetuses that have been aborted?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    10 year survival rates is 80 percent.

    After 10 years they consider the patient as cured.

    My good friend who was in his 20s and in med school ( now a retired MD ) diagnosed himself as having Hodgkins.
    He had the Chemo over 45 years ago and is now enjoying his retirement.

    Here are some stats



    What are the key statistics about Hodgkin disease?
    Thanks Minnie....I should have looked it up myself....sorry to have you do my research, but you do such a good job with it..... Anyway...Doesn't really change my position....Let's look at it like this....What if we flipped the actual scenerio....What if we said that this girl needed chemo, and the State stepped in and ordered that she was NOT to receive any treatment at all....And that her parents were barred from seeking chemo in her case....Would you then consider it a proper role for the government?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This most certainly is "her body, her choice" Minnie. It's her body and it should be her choice what medical procedures she decides her body will endure. You don't get to pick and choose the application of that thinking.
    Minors cannot consent to medical treatments.

    Some schools will not even allow teens to take a Tylenol without a note/prescription from their doctor.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We're paying for 40 million fetuses that have been aborted?
    Glad you're amused chuckles....Read this....

    "For decades, Congress has upheld a policy preventing the use of federal tax dollars to fund elective abortion. Specifically, every year since 1976, Congress has attached the Hyde Amendment to the appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services.

    The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funding of abortion or health benefits plans that cover abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is in danger.[1] Other provisions of current law, like the annual Smith Amendment governing insurance plans available to federal workers under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), bar the government from incurring any costs in connection with administering a health insurance plan that covers abortions beyond the limits established by the Hyde Amendment.

    However, because Congress failed to apply Hyde amendment or similar language to the totality of the health care law, Obamacare potentially allows large taxpayer subsidies to flow to health plans that cover elective abortion.

    Federal Dollars for Health Plans that Cover Elective Abortion. For the first time, the federal government will provide an “affordability tax credit” to millions of low-income and middle-income individuals and families to help subsidize the purchase of health plans on the exchanges.[2] By allowing health insurers that sell plans on many state exchanges to cover abortion while remaining eligible for federal subsidies, Obamacare opens new avenues for federal funding of abortion coverage. These federal tax credits could facilitate the purchase of health plans that cover elective abortion for millions of Americans who did not have such coverage previously."

    Obamacare and Abortion: Forcing Individuals to Fund Elective Abortion Coverage
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Thanks Minnie....I should have looked it up myself....sorry to have you do my research, but you do such a good job with it..... Anyway...Doesn't really change my position....Let's look at it like this....What if we flipped the actual scenerio....What if we said that this girl needed chemo, and the State stepped in and ordered that she was NOT to receive any treatment at all....And that her parents were barred from seeking chemo in her case....Would you then consider it a proper role for the government?

    The state has a right to a compelling interest in the health/welfare of the minor.

    Banning Chemo in this case would not be in the best interest of the minor.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The state has a right to a compelling interest in the health/welfare of the minor.

    Banning Chemo in this case would not be in the best interest of the minor.
    So that's a no?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    From MEDscape.com


    Journal of Midwifery & Women's Health
    Minor's Rights Versus Parental Rights: Review of Legal Issues in Adolescent Health Care

    Laws that Limit Minors' Rights

    Governments have an obligation to protect all citizens and particularly their young people from harm.[13] States, in the interest of protecting public safety, have the authority to limit individual rights. The protective notion of the state, known as parens patriae, assumes that minors are unable to understand fully and consent to the consequences of certain decisions.[14] Parens patriae is possessed by the state, thereby allowing the state to protect its minors health, safety, and welfare. The state, acting in the interest of protecting the minor against her own immature decisions, may impose considerable constraints.[15] All states have codes limiting minors' rights (e.g., the age allowing a minor to obtain a driver's license, the age requirement to attend school, and the legal drinking age) and exerting parens patriae.[16]
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    Constitutionally, the rights of minors are protected; however, their rights are not protected to the same degree as an adult.
    There are three reasons that minors do not have the same constitutional rights as an adult: the vulnerability of children, their limited decision-making capacity, and the important role parents play in making decisions for their children.[17]
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Big difference in 97 year old and a 17 year old, I have no problem with DNR's for people who rationally reach that decision due to medical problmes, quality of life, etc. But I do have a problem with unnecssary suicide.
    Yeah, and as I said, in this particular case that threshold may not be there. But there are cases where it's probably OK to let go.

    Personal story that relates somewhat: Toward the end of his life, my 92 year old grandfather basically stopped eating. My mother thought he was "committing suicide" and was going to send him to an eating disorder clinic. Finally the nursing home and hospice people explained to her that he wasn't dying from not eating. He wasn't eating because he was dying. He'd had a good long life, and it was over. It was hard for my mother to admit but she finally did understand.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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