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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.
    To the best of my knowledge, she has never said she wants to "commit suicide".
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If you have a disease that almost certainly will kill you if you dont get it treated, and you will almost certainly be cured and live a long healthy life if you do, and you refuse that treatment, it is indeed suicide. Suicide is defined as the act of causing ones own death. She would be causing her own death.
    You are using that description of what she is doing here dishonestly, to paint a picture of some depressed teen wanting to off herself...I believe that is done because you don't really have a good argument to the counter points addressed here, so you turn to inflammatory descriptors to incite....
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If the state requires parent consent for abortion and the girl took her case to the courts than the courts would decide whether an abortion was allowed in that the case.

    States have the right to take a compelling interest in the health/welfare of a minor.
    Ok, so the state says that there is no health interest in her getting rid of that baby, so she is ordered to carry it to term...You'd have a cow, and you know it.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so the state says that there is no health interest in her getting rid of that baby, so she is ordered to carry it to term...You'd have a cow, and you know it.
    If the state is willing to pay for it after? Sure. Why not. However, I'm sure there would be a few million conservatives crying foul at having to pay more in taxes for... the children of other people. If the state isn't willing to pay for the child after, it really has no place in telling her to keep it. Not that it did in the first place, women's reproductive choice and all of that.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, she has never said she wants to "commit suicide".
    No, Of course there isn't....This is just a teenage girl that doesn't want to experience the discomfort of the treatment, and a mom who can't be adult enough to step in and get her to see the consequences of her decisions....I notice also that an article posted earlier (hat tip Minnie) said that the remission rate was 85% for 5 years....What about after that? What is the success rate after that? In the end I agree that she should get the chemo, but I just don't agree that the State should be forcing her at the point of a gun to do it.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You know of any 77 year olds getting a liver transplant now?
    Why does that matter? Now I personally must know someone in order to present the scenerio?

    Talk about flaming, "at the point of a gun?" comon man...
    Yes, at the "point of a gun".... I assume that the Judge that ordered this had local police ensure that his orders were carried out? Are police armed?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the state is willing to pay for it after? Sure. Why not. However, I'm sure there would be a few million conservatives crying foul at having to pay more in taxes for... the children of other people. If the state isn't willing to pay for the child after, it really has no place in telling her to keep it. Not that it did in the first place, women's reproductive choice and all of that.
    We already pay for millions of illegitimate children in this country....Ever heard of Aid to families with dependent children?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We already pay for millions of illegitimate children in this country....Ever heard of Aid to families with dependent children?
    So what you're saying is that you'd be okay with paying a few more hundred bucks in taxes for say the... "40 million" supposedly aborted fetuses? Correct?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, Of course there isn't....This is just a teenage girl that doesn't want to experience the discomfort of the treatment, and a mom who can't be adult enough to step in and get her to see the consequences of her decisions....I notice also that an article posted earlier (hat tip Minnie) said that the remission rate was 85% for 5 years....What about after that? What is the success rate after that? In the end I agree that she should get the chemo, but I just don't agree that the State should be forcing her at the point of a gun to do it.
    As a mother I agree she should have the chemo treatments. But as an American I think it isn't my choice what she does, and I am firmly against the state deciding that she is capable of and authorized to make her own medical decisions some of the time but not all of the time. The same thing goes for her parents and how their decisions on what is right for her are being denied.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Its her body to do with what she pleases, so long as she isn't hurting others.

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