Page 14 of 43 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast
Results 131 to 140 of 430

Thread: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

  1. #131
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,324

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMartinBlank View Post
    Grumble - I think the real question is she mature enough to decide her own medical treatment. Her state's laws seem
    To dicate that age is the primary deciding factor. I haven't thought much about this until now - but in general I err on the side of less government/more family intervention in these types of matters. It sounds as though her parents support her decision to refuse the treatment. I am going to check to see how many states have these mature minor statues. I wonder if there has been a case yet where the minor wants to refuse treatment, the parents disagree, and the court issues an opinion?
    Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  2. #132
    Sage
    mak2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    07-08-16 @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,050

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    How bout is she wanted to commit suicide while pregnant?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

  3. #133
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,324

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you ever have any intelligent reply or do you just wander around babbling RW BS and insulting people? Suicide is not a freedom. Semper Fi, J-mac.
    When posed with intelligent questions sure....But you get what you give there Marine....Semper Fi to you.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  4. #134
    Curmudgeon


    LowDown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Houston
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    11,572
    Blog Entries
    11

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo






    On one side, she's an idiot who can be cured. On the other, she has a right to be an idiot and die because of that. Not sure how I feel about this but I smell the anti-science stench a mile away.
    She's a minor, so it's not her decision to make, thank heavens. Teenagers struggle to assert their own identities against the authority figures in their lives. This struggle can take on extreme forms for those teenagers under stress, even to the point of suicide.

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --HL Mencken

  5. #135
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,324

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    How bout is she wanted to commit suicide while pregnant?
    How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  6. #136
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,324

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    She's a minor, so it's not her decision to make, thank heavens. Teenagers struggle to assert their own identities against the authority figures in their lives. This struggle can take on extreme forms for those teenagers under stress, even to the point of suicide.
    Right, and what happens when this sort of thing is no longer about a minor refusing chemo? What happens when it is about the State refusing treatment to say, you when you're 77, and need a liver transplant? or bypass surgery to live?

    Won't it be great then that we confined this girl to a gurdy and shoved a needle in her arm at the point of a gun?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  7. #137
    Sage
    mak2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    07-08-16 @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,050

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    If you have a disease that almost certainly will kill you if you dont get it treated, and you will almost certainly be cured and live a long healthy life if you do, and you refuse that treatment, it is indeed suicide. Suicide is defined as the act of causing ones own death. She would be causing her own death.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

  8. #138
    Sage
    mak2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    07-08-16 @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,050

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    You know of any 77 year olds getting a liver transplant now? Talk about flaming, "at the point of a gun?" comon man...
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Right, and what happens when this sort of thing is no longer about a minor refusing chemo? What happens when it is about the State refusing treatment to say, you when you're 77, and need a liver transplant? or bypass surgery to live?

    Won't it be great then that we confined this girl to a gurdy and shoved a needle in her arm at the point of a gun?
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

  9. #139
    Sage
    minnie616's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    14,952

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?
    If the state requires parent consent for abortion and the girl took her case to the courts than the courts would decide whether an abortion was allowed in that the case.

    States have the right to take a compelling interest in the health/welfare of a minor.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

  10. #140
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 03:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,234

    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There is not a " her body ,her choice" .

    You might be confusing that with " right of privacy" , which only applies to certain zones of privacy regarding such things as marriage, child rearing, contraception, abortion, among a few others.
    This most certainly is "her body, her choice" Minnie. It's her body and it should be her choice what medical procedures she decides her body will endure. You don't get to pick and choose the application of that thinking.
    Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

Page 14 of 43 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •