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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Here are a few <SNIPS> by a Bioethicist who agrees the minor should have Chemo.

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    Cassandra has Hodgkin lymphoma, a cancer of the lymphatic system, the body's immune system. The National Cancer Institute says that more than 85 percent of those with this form of the disease and who get chemo will survive a minimum of five years. If the cancer is found early and treated quickly, outcomes are even better.

    So a child would need to have one hell of a reason for not wanting treatment given that this is a type of cancer for which a cure exists.

    Cassandra is not invoking a religious belief in saying no. Nor is she claiming she believes in some form of alternative medicine.


    According to the teen's mother, Cassandra is refusing chemo because she hates the miserable treatment — hair loss, feeling sick, nausea, and being really tired. Her mother says she backs her daughter's decision. The state of Connecticut does not. Neither do I.

    Find her a doc, social worker or counselor with whom she can bond and trust, who can guide her through the hell of chemo.
    Indeed, Cassandra is close to being an adult but not quite there. She is also a teenager — a group not known for always making the best judgments. I would hope her mom would be pushing her to get chemo rather than trying to honor her emerging autonomy.

    The primary goal in this case is to save a young life. This is a disease where medicine can do that. Admittedly, the treatment sucks, but it works. I hope when judges hear this case Thursday, they tell Cassandra that she needs to get the chemo. But she also needs support. A lot of it.

    Let her meet others her age who have been through chemo and lived. Find her a doc, social worker or counselor with whom she can bond and trust, who can guide her through the torment of chemo. Bring her mom around and get her to help her daughter through the treatment.

    Respecting choice is important. Not burying a young teenage girl who would have lived is far more important.
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    Bioethicist: Why Connecticut Teen Can't Say No to Chemo - NBC News
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok....I think the report was that she turns 18 in a couple of months....What is the ramifications of starting chemo, then stopping it?
    If her intent is to kill herself, very little other than the discomfort she's being forced to go through for those months.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    That's where her mother and others who love her must step in and tell her to fight because she has so much to live for. I agree with Caplan; Cassandra should be encouraged to talk to teens who've gone through chemo. It's not fun, but it is do-able. She has youth on her side.

    From a NY Times piece:

    Outlook (Prognosis)
    Hodgkin lymphoma is one of the most curable cancers. Cure is even more likely if it is diagnosed and treated early. Unlike other cancers, Hodgkin lymphoma is also curable in its late stages. Hodgkin Lymphoma - Symptoms, Diagnosis, Treatment of Hodgkin Lymphoma - NY Times Health Information

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the court is backing up the State....Shocking.
    No, it's not really shocking that a court deemed a minor incompetent to decide on suicide after having her head filled with hippie bull****.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, it's not really shocking that a court deemed a minor incompetent to decide on suicide after having her head filled with hippie bull****.
    Yup. Was going to be my reply. I'm all for allowing terminal patients to commit suicide and/or seek medical assistance in doing so humanely. But I'm totally willing to trample on the ostensible rights of a parent or minor to prevent a child from committing suicide when they could otherwise live a full and healthy life.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What the **** happened to "her body, her choice"?
    I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Do you ever have any intelligent reply or do you just wander around babbling RW BS and insulting people? Suicide is not a freedom. Semper Fi, J-mac.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Big difference in 97 year old and a 17 year old, I have no problem with DNR's for people who rationally reach that decision due to medical problmes, quality of life, etc. But I do have a problem with unnecssary suicide.
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    Truthfully, I think there's a point at which it should be OK. I don't know what that point is. If someone is 95 and has had 2 heart attacks, maybe a DNR isn't out of the question. If you've already been through the ringer medically speaking maybe it's OK to accept that you will die.

    I'm not saying that in this case the threshold has been reached. However, I do think there's a point where it's OK to let go and let nature take its course.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Who? I never realized so many people were pro sucide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.
    Same here. On the one hand people support her right to make decisions regarding her body. On the other hand, those same people don't support her right to make decisions regarding her body. How do you reconcile that?
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