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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    According to the law she is a minor.
    States have the right to decide at what age girls can make sexual or abortion decisions.
    Many states require girls under 18 ( which includes 17 year olds ) have parental consent to obtain an abortion.
    In certain cases such as those where a family member might be the bio father a minor can take her case to the state courts to act in her best interest.
    Sorry, but I think that is a cop out...Like I said situational ethics....Either she is in control of her own person, or she's not...Now for what its worth, I too think that the parents in this case are abdicating their responsibility to parent this girl. If it were me, and I do have a daughter, she's 25 now, but at 17, I would have had to sit her down and tell her that she was getting the treatment, but also that I would be there every step with her, but that a choice between life and certain death? Life wins....All I am saying is that I have had it up to my finely sculpted ass with the hypocrisy today....
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    This a life or death decision. The statistics show that the treatment will almost certainly be effective and she will be healthy after recovery. She can always choose to die later, but she will not have the option to get rid of her cancer in the future if it isn't effectively treated in time.
    Agreed, but as I explained to Minnie, If I were the parent here, I wouldn't need the State to step in, because she'd be there for her treatment...But I am also not for the Government stepping in for me. You want to say I did something wrong after the fact, then arrest me, and send me to trial, short of that where does it stop?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    The Court reviewed the case.

    The Court is acting as her guardian until she turns 18.

    Once she is 18 she can make her own choice.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Court reviewed the case.

    The Court is acting as her guardian until she turns 18.

    Once she is 18 she can make her own choice.
    Ok....I think the report was that she turns 18 in a couple of months....What is the ramifications of starting chemo, then stopping it?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Agreed, but as I explained to Minnie, If I were the parent here, I wouldn't need the State to step in, because she'd be there for her treatment...But I am also not for the Government stepping in for me. You want to say I did something wrong after the fact, then arrest me, and send me to trial, short of that where does it stop?
    Its a tough call, and I agree that it could be a bad precedent, but keeping her alive is the lesser evil in this particular case.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    The Court deemed the minor girl was not mentally competent to make her own decision.


    17-year-old Connecticut girl with a highly curable cancer is not mentally competent to make her own medical decisions and will continue to receive the chemotherapy treatments she's battled to halt, the Connecticut Supreme Court ordered Thursday.

    Chief Justice Chase T. Rogers ruled that the teen — listed only as Cassandra C. in legal records — is not mature by any standard.

    That means Cassandra will remain at a Hartford hospital, in the temporary custody of child-welfare workers, and will receive her full course of chemotherapy to treat Hodgkin lymphoma. Doctors have said her odds at recovery are 80 to 85 percent with chemo, but that she will die without it.
    Connecticut Teen With Curable Cancer Must Continue Chemo: Court - NBC News
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok....I think the report was that she turns 18 in a couple of months....What is the ramifications of starting chemo, then stopping it?
    Probably still death, sadly.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Facts have to be considered. Research shows that alternative treatments don't work. The facts are that she will almost certainly enjoy many more years of good health after enduring a few months of the chemo ordeal. Young people are not good at deciding wisely between short term sacrifice and long term gain versus short term gain and long term consequences. Since she is a minor I support the mandatory treatment.
    What's missing in the story, and I suspect in the court proceedings, is ANY indication that the mother or patient have proposed any kind of an alternative treatment plan that they can demonstrate has any chance of working. There's no evidence of alternative medicine practitioners testifying that protocol Z (all natural of course!) will work. When the court stacks that (no plan at all in the record we've seen) against chemo with an 85% chance of long term success, it's a pretty easy decision.

    And it doesn't bother me that she's 17 either. If she was 3 and her mother was too bull headed/stupid to approve this kind of treatment, few of us would object (I think) because the abuse or neglect is pretty obvious. The law says 18 in NJ, and the actions of the minor here don't indicate she's responsible enough to make this decision, nor is her mother stepping in with other responsible plans to get this treated. It's not a very steep slippery slope from where I'm looking at it.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Court deemed the minor girl was not mentally competent to make her own decision.



    Connecticut Teen With Curable Cancer Must Continue Chemo: Court - NBC News
    So the court is backing up the State....Shocking.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Grumble - I think the real question is she mature enough to decide her own medical treatment. Her state's laws seem
    To dicate that age is the primary deciding factor. I haven't thought much about this until now - but in general I err on the side of less government/more family intervention in these types of matters. It sounds as though her parents support her decision to refuse the treatment. I am going to check to see how many states have these mature minor statues. I wonder if there has been a case yet where the minor wants to refuse treatment, the parents disagree, and the court issues an opinion?

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