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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    What a ridiculous statement. The doctors prescribe drugs because you only need a prescription for regulated drugs Doctors will prescribe supplements that you can buy OTC too if they are available by prescription because for some people, getting the insurance to pay for vitamins and such can be important. I have a relative whose doctor prescribes her vitamin supplements like C, fish oil, E, iron, etc and she has the option of buying them OTC or through her insurance. In addition, if someone elects not to seek cancer treatment, they can still receive palliative care/support services to manage their decline. Your complaint would be like saying doctors are evil because they will not fix your car so you can come see them---not in their job description. If you want to eat grass and berries, go find a forest ranger to tell you what is edible; if you want to sit in a tent and sweat the cancer out of you, go find a new age guru; if you want to have the cancer zapped out of you, go find Harry Potter.
    I don't think doctors are evil, can you find anywhere that I said something like that? Likewise, did I say anything about new agers?

    Fundamentally, people should have a right to refuse care for any reason they see fit. The era of eugenics taught us how dangerous it is to force medical treatments on people, and how that gets abused. The courts are wrong in this case.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't think doctors are evil, can you find anywhere that I said something like that? Likewise, did I say anything about new agers?

    Fundamentally, people should have a right to refuse care for any reason they see fit. The era of eugenics taught us how dangerous it is to force medical treatments on people, and how that gets abused. The courts are wrong in this case.
    If this were an adult, it would not be news. We would just write it off as some other idiot not accepting a known treatment, even though there are plenty of cases of people curing their cancer through other means. It's just that, in the U.S., you aren't allowed to publicize that whatsoever or the government will end you.
    Got a link for this?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Got a link for this?
    Here you go.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    The sad reality is that cancer does many times come back, and when it does it usually takes you out. She already started the chemo and bc it made her feel like crap, she chose to explore another route. We can't get into these peoples head and apply our logic to theirs. Maybe they know someone who barely made it through chemo only to die a few yrs later, maybe she read of stories about people using alternative medicine/supplements that worked. Those stories do exist, we just don't hear about them, just like we don't hear about natural alternative supplements that cure everyday ailments... Bc there's no money to be made for the pharm companies. Thankfully I've never dealt with the "c" word but I've read enough to know that it's a beast as well as chemo. I've heard of ppl having horrible painful sores in their mouths and not being able to eat, terrible nausea, feeling like you have the flu for the duration of treatment. Most of us want someone to take us out of our misery by the third day if we have the flu or strep. I couldn't imagine feeling like that for months.... Several months. As the saying goes... Until you've walked a mile in that persons shoes...

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    She's a minor who sounds like she's being influenced by a stupid parent who shouldn't have custody of her. Chemotherapy is hell, but death is worse. I'm glad the state made this decision. I suspect she'll be grateful for it years from now.
    Death is not the end for believers, and being in a better place is not a worst case scenario for believers. You may think it's coo coo for cocoa puffs, but we all find out in the end.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Linear thinking says the chemo is her only hope... because that is what t h e FDA will allow. There are other treatments available. The state of Georgia is now allowing treatment of some conditions (siezures) with cannabis oil, some doctors have had huge success with it, perha p s she would like to try something besides big pharm solutions for profit at the point of a gun. Two recent cancer patients in my life, one with breast cancer that spread to bones, she was diagnosed 4 years ago. Does some traditional American treatment, but mostly homeopathic. She has a great attitude and outlook. The second diagnosed with lung caner December 6th 2014, did radiation and chemo, died September 20th frail, wasted,oullburned from chemo and radiation. In the last two months she was helpless and in such pain she couldn't communicate.

    So here we have this girl who has, what, two years to live? What is wrong with allowing her to seek alternative treatment first? And if she doesn't want chemo, what government official has the right to force her to have it? This is the nanny state at it's inevitable tipping point. The girl, a minor, made her decision and her mother backed it up. That should be the end of it. There are states that allow assisted suicide, touted by it's supporters as a form of personal freedom, and it is. As far as I am concerned this is a case of kidnapping (and torture) by the state. From a philosophical perspective it raises the question of personal freedom. If you agree with the state here you are essentially saying that our children belong to the state, and that would be a government gone too far. It would be interesting to see who is paying for the treatments as well. Was she kidnapped, forced to be poisoned, and then her mother billed for it? Be careful here people, you and yours might be next.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Death is not the end for believers, and being in a better place is not a worst case scenario for believers. You may think it's coo coo for cocoa puffs, but we all find out in the end.
    I am a believer and I have been faced with the decision to die or get chemotherapy. I chose chemo and I stand by my assertion that death is worse.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I am a believer and I have been faced with the decision to die or get chemotherapy. I chose chemo and I stand by my assertion that death is worse.
    I am very happy that you were alloewed to make your decision.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Linear thinking says the chemo is her only hope... because that is what t h e FDA will allow. There are other treatments available. The state of Georgia is now allowing treatment of some conditions (siezures) with cannabis oil, some doctors have had huge success with it, perha p s she would like to try something besides big pharm solutions for profit at the point of a gun. Two recent cancer patients in my life, one with breast cancer that spread to bones, she was diagnosed 4 years ago. Does some traditional American treatment, but mostly homeopathic. She has a great attitude and outlook. The second diagnosed with lung caner December 6th 2014, did radiation and chemo, died September 20th frail, wasted,oullburned from chemo and radiation. In the last two months she was helpless and in such pain she couldn't communicate.

    So here we have this girl who has, what, two years to live? What is wrong with allowing her to seek alternative treatment first? And if she doesn't want chemo, what government official has the right to force her to have it? This is the nanny state at it's inevitable tipping point. The girl, a minor, made her decision and her mother backed it up. That should be the end of it. There are states that allow assisted suicide, touted by it's supporters as a form of personal freedom, and it is. As far as I am concerned this is a case of kidnapping (and torture) by the state. From a philosophical perspective it raises the question of personal freedom. If you agree with the state here you are essentially saying that our children belong to the state, and that would be a government gone too far. It would be interesting to see who is paying for the treatments as well. Was she kidnapped, forced to be poisoned, and then her mother billed for it? Be careful here people, you and yours might be next.
    Everything you just said is stupid. I'm tempted to go through all of it, but the stupidity you've displayed is so enraging that I'd rather just continue say how stupid everything you just posted is. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

    May you never be in charge of anyone's medical decisions.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I am very happy that you were alloewed to make your decision.
    Me too and I'm happy to know that if I'd been a minor and I had stupid mother who would have let me die because she believed in that my only chance at life was a "Big Pharma" conspiracy that the state would have stepped in to help me.

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