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Thread: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Maybe the mother is a Christian Scientist. Or maybe the mother feels that her daughter is adult enough to make the decision for herself. Or maybe the mother agrees with the child that the treatment amounts to poison. For whatever reason, why does the government believe it has the right to force the child do to something she does not want to do? Also, at what age does a child become an adult?
    The legal age is 18 I believe and that makes this girl a minor. Generally speaking, minors don't have rights of their own but have guardians who are supposed to look out for those rights until the child is an adult. If you have a guardian who puts a child at risk, it is common and acceptable practice for the state to remove the child and take over the role of guardian. I don't know enough about this particular case but that sounds like what has happened.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The legal age is 18 I believe and that makes this girl a minor. Generally speaking, minors don't have rights of their own but have guardians who are supposed to look out for those rights until the child is an adult. If you have a guardian who puts a child at risk, it is common and acceptable practice for the state to remove the child and take over the role of guardian. I don't know enough about this particular case but that sounds like what has happened.
    In Connecticut, and a few other states, the concept of "Mature Minor" is valid in the courts. This case centered on whether or not she was mature enough to make the decision.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If what you say is true, what kind of mother would allow her own child to refuse this sort of treatment? Perhaps the state was right to step in and basically take over guardianship of this minor.
    Yep.

    I think the stats (off the top of my head) are that about 60% are disease free at 10 years post treatment and 90% are alive at 10 years- very good numbers. Repeat treatment, especially if it worked the first time, is almost as effective as initial therapy.

    This is a very reasonable decision,
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Connecticut, and a few other states, the concept of "Mature Minor" is valid in the courts. This case centered on whether or not she was mature enough to make the decision.
    If the treatment has an 85% chance of saving her life and she chooses not to take it, I question whether she is truly mature enough to make that decision. Don't you?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Connecticut, and a few other states, the concept of "Mature Minor" is valid in the courts. This case centered on whether or not she was mature enough to make the decision.
    And based on her decision (and the reason she gives 'treatment is poison'), she's clearly not mature. Not surprising...neither is her mother.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So now you want to make it personal? OK, I can go for that. 'Ya ready? LOL.
    Sorry - hit a nerve?


    the point remains the same. Not only was the individual who bent this conversation into the national sphere not me, but in fact the IPAB is relevant to the discussion of whether or not government has a role to play in these decisions.

    You may argue that a Court System is uniquely better situated to make these decisions than unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats (which would be interesting, given how many judges fit that description) if you like, but that would actually require you to be germane

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Anywho, It would be interesting to read this thread in the light of this one. I see an interesting juxtaposition.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

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    The ACA does give power over these decisions to an unelected, unaccountable board.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    The girl wants to commit suicide and that as of now is illegal so what is the issue here?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    IMO the mother has had more (likely incorrect) influence over her daughter's decision than her doctors. While this influence isnt surprising, the odds are this is the mother's wish and the daughter now believes it as well. I would still think that the doctors know the best treatment. These things have to be weighed very carefully, there are many variables in someone's condition and available treatments. I cant help but think multiple doctors have a better grasp of that.

    Chemo can be very damaging but we also know a great deal more about those effects now.
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