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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Freedom of choice has no stipulation that the choice made must be deemed "the correct choice" by some government body.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In essence, the government is confining a 17 year old girl in a hospital room, and forcing her to undergo chemotherapy. With the chemo, she has an 85 percent chance of a cure. Without the chemo, she will likely be dead within 2 years.

    I have posted a poll with this thread, since I would like to know what everybody thinks of this. This is a very tough issue. Does the government have a right to mandate a life and death decision when the wrong choice is probably death? What about for adults? What about for children? Does the government have the right to take over a parenting function from the parent in some circumstances? Is the government acting in the child's interest, or is the government going overboard? Is this big government at work, or should government be a little big at times? There are a lot of angles to this issue, and I would like to hear as many as possible.

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    Under these facts, yes. The girl's comments, indications, and prior representations to the Court add up to yes she wants to live, so if she is not wanting to pursue a realistic path for that, then yes. Sometimes it is unfortunate, but it is really no different than force feeding an anorexic just to keep her alive until she has recovered enough physically to allow the mental health therapy a chance. I feel that she does not fully appreciate what the end will be like for her because she is a lot healthier and more energetic today than she would be a year from now with cancer taking its toll on her. If her chances were 15% I might would see it differently, but at 85%, there is no time to dick around because that number will drop drastically the longer treatment is delayed.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    See post #5

    I did NOT equate to death panel.
    You said that the next thing the government would do would be to tell people that they are not worth the cost of medical procedures, and must die. If that isn't the same thing as a death panel, I don't know what is.

    What the government is doing is forcing a life saving treatment on a teenaged girl, not denying treatment and letting her die. This is why I asked you my previous question, because what you posted makes no sense to me.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    C'mon.... This again?
    :raises eyebrow: It does.

    Agreeably, the likely movement is in the opposite direction, as the boards' mandate is cost control rather than ensuring the extension of the life of minors.

    But if you think government has no business "making these kinds of decisions".... well.....

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Under these facts, yes. The girl's comments, indications, and prior representations to the Court add up to yes she wants to live, so if she is not wanting to pursue a realistic path for that, then yes. Sometimes it is unfortunate, but it is really no different than force feeding an anorexic just to keep her alive until she has recovered enough physically to allow the mental health therapy a chance. I feel that she does not fully appreciate what the end will be like for her because she is a lot healthier and more energetic today than she would be a year from now with cancer taking its toll on her. If her chances were 15% I might would see it differently, but at 85%, there is no time to dick around because that number will drop drastically the longer treatment is delayed.
    Shouldn't that decision, right or wrong, be in the hands of the girl? And, if the girl is judged to be a child, and not able to make that decision, then shouldn't the decision, right or wrong, be in the hands of the mother?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow: It does.

    Agreeably, the likely movement is in the opposite direction, as the boards' mandate is cost control rather than ensuring the extension of the life of minors.

    But if you think government has no business "making these kinds of decisions".... well.....
    Let me correct you here. This decision was not made by any board. It was made by a judge.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You said that the next thing the government would do would be to tell people that they are not worth the cost of medical procedures, and must die. If that isn't the same thing as a death panel, I don't know what is.

    What the government is doing is forcing a life saving treatment on a teenaged girl, not denying treatment and letting her die. This is why I asked you my previous question, because what you posted makes no sense to me.
    The gov. should not be allowed the position to dictate this decision.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow: It does.

    Agreeably, the likely movement is in the opposite direction, as the boards' mandate is cost control rather than ensuring the extension of the life of minors.

    But if you think government has no business "making these kinds of decisions".... well.....
    I dont think they do, especially when she is considered a minor (i know 17 is questionable) and her mother doesnt want her to have chemo either... But please share how the ACA has something to do with this.


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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    The gov. should not be allowed the position to dictate this decision.
    OK, that was a reasonable response. Thanx.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Let me correct you here. This decision was not made by any board. It was made by a judge.
    ...... Do you see a strong point of relevance there to the discussion of whether or not government belongs in those decisions?

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