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Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

:lol: Hopefully this is a joke post. To claim this as a make/break wedge issue is, to put it kindly, extremely naive.

Thinking a cheapskate conservative doesn't want his kid to go to college for free is extremely naive.
 
It would be political suicide for the GOP oppose this idea. The can fight over how it is funded, but if they kill it, President Hillary Clinton and her majority in the House will make it happen. This thing should sail through with bipartisan support. The GOP won't want this as a wedge issue in 2016. It will kill them.

I don't see this as a wedge issue.

And I think that giving away two years of college is insane. Somebody will have to pay for those two years.
 
Sounds to me like Obama is willing to do a little horse trading.

He sees the reality of the GOP controlling both houses and he knows that if he takes out his veto pen every time they send him a bill that the Democrats will feel the wrath at the polls in 2016. This smells like he's floating a deal...

Really? Because it smells to me like he's going to have a good time arguing for nice-sounding fiscal idiocy (and a free car for every graduate!) so that Republicans have to play the less-popular role of Dad, telling you that if you can't afford it, you can't buy it.
 
I'm guessing he meant to apply themselves?

The more modern term for "trade school" is "technical college," and a rose by any other name....

The Associate of Applied Science is what is offered (and there are shorter certification programs too), and I don't care what any hifalutin' college grad says: The person who pulls into my driveway in August who can fix my a/c system is a god.

Greetings, nota bene. :2wave:

:lamo: Agreed! No one has ever been more well received at my house as the men who delivered my new gas hot water heater last year, and installed the thing! :thumbs:
 
No.

I live among similar species, we call them "socialists" and no, they have not changed solutions offered in the 65 years I've been around.

I've just come to notice that people like Obama seem to have two basic ideas. Either they find something unacceptable and force people to act to resolve it or they find something unable and they create it into a freebie. What amazes me is that people think liberals/socialists/democrats are the smartest and most caring people around when in reality they have the ethics and the brain power of a chimp.
 
Actually, it's not free education that undervalues degrees, but the sheer number of people who hold those degrees. But yes, something needs to be done to curb costs. Even people in my generation who have it significantly better than the current generation of college graduates are still paying off their school loans. When I hear of what current students owe I just see a lifetime of bonded labor.

There are plenty of examples of markets that overtime drove themselves out of the marketplace by raising their prices too high. I don't see why people insist on thinking a market that has driven itself to the brink should be saved. Why not look for other solutions?
 
Oh, and just offering the service for free or taking over the industry is a pretty brainless solution. Just sayin'.
 
You really don't believe that he's just going to sign a clean bill for something like the Keystone pipeline without getting something he wants, do you?

Yes I do, he has know clue how to negotiate anything.
 
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D) tried doing just that, the Republicans blocked it:

GOP blocks Warren

I think when it comes to student loans and education the Republicans are usually wrong. It seems many of them think those with debt were "irresponsible borrowers" and many haven't been in graduate education for years, back when they all went to law school tuition wasn't as outrageous. Some are proponents of "work your way through school" which simply isn't possible for graduate programs and increasingly difficult for undergrad ones as well. They don't realize that in today's day and age it's not uncommon for graduate programs to charge 40k+ for tuition on top of living expenses for which loans are basically the only option to pay for that.
 
It would be political suicide for the GOP oppose this idea. The can fight over how it is funded, but if they kill it, President Hillary Clinton and her majority in the House will make it happen. This thing should sail through with bipartisan support. The GOP won't want this as a wedge issue in 2016. It will kill them.

Lol.....


" President Hillary Clinton " is just a bit less ridiculous than a Majority Democrat House.

Clintons influence in the Midterms was nada, zero, zilch.

Opposing it isn't Political suicide, because its a ridiculous idea.
 
There are plenty of examples of markets that overtime drove themselves out of the marketplace by raising their prices too high. I don't see why people insist on thinking a market that has driven itself to the brink should be saved. Why not look for other solutions?

Such as?
 
You really don't believe that he's just going to sign a clean bill for something
like the Keystone pipeline without getting something he wants, do you?
McConnell promised an open amendment process, remember?
If he acts on amendments as he did today blaming Obama for France, we'll see no changes in DC .
 
I support this 100%, I would support it for everyone. It seems many of your ignoring the fact that its only for students who "maintain good grades".
 

Such as other solutions or other markets that have driven themselves to be unmarketable? How do you go about fixing the problem of cost by giving potential consumers of colleges more capability to get what they can't afford? While that might help individual consumers it should allow colleges to raise their costs even more without feeling any negative consequences of their actions. A better solution would be to limit peoples ability to take out loans for college, so that college has to deal with a consumer base with less capability to pay their extremely high prices. You are not going to lower prices by giving away access to services.
 
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Lol.....


" President Hillary Clinton " is just a bit less ridiculous than a Majority Democrat House.

Clintons influence in the Midterms was nada, zero, zilch.

Opposing it isn't Political suicide, because its a ridiculous idea.
A ridiculous idea that works in other developed nations.
 
Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans... :roll:

Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

Because I'm not liking this idea:

First of all, I would guess that this idea is simply politics to show how mean the rebpublicnats are for not jumpibg at the chance to give away more borrowed money. My second thought was how can any plan (much less a "future" plan with no details) help the "average" student while funding classes only for the "good" (above average?) students? Putting masses of folks into college classrooms and then funding only those that get "good" grades would most likely do two things; 1) inflate grades and 2) inflate tuition costs.
 
I think when it comes to student loans and education the Republicans are usually wrong. It seems many of them think those with debt were "irresponsible borrowers" and many haven't been in graduate education for years, back when they all went to law school tuition wasn't as outrageous. Some are proponents of "work your way through school" which simply isn't possible for graduate programs and increasingly difficult for undergrad ones as well. They don't realize that in today's day and age it's not uncommon for graduate programs to charge 40k+ for tuition on top of living expenses for which loans are basically the only option to pay for that.

You do mean 40k per year, right?
 
Such as other solutions or other markets that have driven themselves to be unmarketable? How do you go about fixing the problem of cost by giving potential consumers of colleges more capability to get what they can't afford? While that might help individual consumers it should allow colleges to raise their costs even more without feeling any negative consequences of their actions. A better solution would be to limit peoples ability to take out loans for college, so that college has to deal with a consumer base with less capability to pay their extremely high prices. You are not going to lower prices by giving away access to services.

While restricting the number of people who can go to school would indeed prevent those people from acquiring college debt in the first place, you're also restricting them and their children to service positions for the rest of their lives.
 
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A ridiculous idea that works in other developed nations.

With many of our top HS students now going to CC to get their AA, which transfers in total to a 4-year university/college,
I would also like to see consideration of the first year at the expensive college instead of the CC option.

Most families I know are getting through CC without debt due to far lower tuition costs, scholarships, decent jobs and living at home .
 
I thought you supported vouchers for this sort of thing .

I do, but those don't cost additional money. In fact, privatizing education and spending money on vouchers is less expensive than paying for public education. You may recall the statistic I supplied showing about a $4,000 difference between public and private schools cost per student.
 
Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans... :roll:

Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

Because I'm not liking this idea:

LOL where is the money going to come from? ol yea I know higher taxes.

There is no way that the republican congress will take this up.

I can already give you the Huffpo, MediaMatters and dailykos headlines.

Republicans refuse to let kids go to college.
 
Yes I do, he has know clue how to negotiate anything.
He has not demonstrated much negotiation skill to this point, I agree with that. However, he really hasn't had to until now, either.

I just think it's pretty obvious that he's trying to set the Republicans up by proposing things like this. If they dismiss it without consideration he'll chastise them and the media will follow suit. I don't like it and it isn't at all fair but that's the way it is. It's a pretty transparent strategy to continue the "obstructionist" narrative that they've been pushing for the past 5 years, IMO.
 
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