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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I like your comment about trade schools.
    Our local community college already has a huge trade school component.
    Same around here, but not all trades are covered.

    Not to mention some students are already coming out of high school with the full 60 hours and an AA, but normally from 0-30 .
    Those are students who more than likely don't need any help. Students out of Honors and AP programs are in great shape for scholarships to 4 years schools.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's specifically what I'm concerned with. I think the country's best path forward to assured dominance in the world is taking advantage of the potential intellectual wealth in our large population through the promotion of the best and smartest among us. Abandoning the poor to non-education just because they're poor is an extraordinary waste of intellectual resources and harms us all in the long run. Education is a massive investment -- just ask the Indian and Chinese governments that have been sending their citizens here to learn engineering and computer technology in our best technical universities for decades. No fools, they. And how are they doing now? Oh yeah, they're taking all our blue and white collar base.
    The only way I can see to increase access to education and lower costs is if there was more players in the field. Just throwing all your eggs in one basket and giving away the service for free will get you what you're after, but it will come at a high price.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Class sizes will simply get bigger--meaning lower cost per pupil.
    Ever been involved in education ?


    can only fit so many people into a classroom that ever heard of fire safety codes?

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Same around here, but not all trades are covered.
    Those are students who more than likely don't need any help. Students out of Honors and AP programs are in great shape for scholarships to 4 years schools.
    But they save a hell of a lot of money, honors or not.
    I wish I could have gotten one year of gen eds out of the way back when I graduated HS in 1971.

    Here in IL, it's been a matter of common-sense.
    The first child, often very wild, goes to an expensive 4-year and screws the pooch, ending up back at CC 2nd semester or 2nd year.
    Parents simply won't give the next in line the same chance to screw up and waste tens of thousands they can't afford .
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The only way I can see to increase access to education and lower costs is if there was more players in the field. Just throwing all your eggs in one basket and giving away the service for free will get you what you're after, but it will come at a high price.
    Or regulate the educational industry and lower interest rates and/or free education.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post


    can only fit so many people into a classroom that ever heard of fire safety codes?
    Ever heard of 200 in a college lecture room instead of 150 ?
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    It's a symbolic ploy to make young people like the President and (if so willing) his Party. I wouldn't take it seriously. The President has too much on his plate to deal with already and a political opposition who can shut down the proposal without much effort.

    There was a reason why he made the announcement on Vine and Facebook.

    Pure demographic flattery.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I've just come to notice that people like Obama seem to have two basic ideas. Either they find something unacceptable and force people to act to resolve it or they find something unable and they create it into a freebie. What amazes me is that people think liberals/socialists/democrats are the smartest and most caring people around when in reality they have the ethics and the brain power of a chimp.

    Sometimes they invent issues, or prolong the debate to the point of absurdity. The NDP here, which had the same basic platform, sans Obamacare, is still on about "oppressed women" demands that all new candidates be women [men not allowed] while frothing at the mouth over powerful women like our own premier, a single mother who sent them into obscurity in the last election.

    The mantra "women oppressed" keeps the ignorant on guard against the tyranny of free enterprise, but the only "oppressed women" they seem to care about are their own.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    if anything it increases it.

    higher demand equals more cost.

    it means more classes more teachers more everything. you will see college prices go through the roof to meet the demand of students wanting to take classes.
    Liberals are usually bull**** when it comes to economics and rely on stupid nonsensical gibberish like the MMT school to sound anywhere near knowledgeable, but this whole giving away a service for free fetish they have is the worst of it. Why would I lower my prices when you are giving me free business? What is my motivation? Why would I not raise my prices? If the government is my consumer why would I bother to price my services at a rate the average American can afford? Because I'm a nice guy? I don't know about you, but when my consumer base has very deep pockets and is willing to pay the price regardless my prices are going up.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans...

    Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

    Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

    Because I'm not liking this idea:
    Nothing devalues a college degree more than everybody having one.

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