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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While restricting the number of people who can go to school would indeed prevent those people from acquiring college debt in the first place, you're also restricting those people to service positions.
    The problem appears to be the cost associated with college, so the question I have for Obama and anyone else that supports giving away access to college is how does that lower cost? If the government stopped providing student loans and allowed the market to control interest rates colleges would no longer be capable of getting whatever they want out of people. They would have to deal with the fact that the government isn't acting as everyone's sugar daddy and price their product with some sort of restraint.

    Yes, my solution isn't concerned with everyone getting access, and to be honest, the only solution that can truly maximize access is one that maximizes price.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You do mean 40k per year, right?
    Yes. 40k+ per year. Google the tuition for basically any professional doctoral program (MD, DO, PharmD, JD, etc.), even in state ones are usually 25k+ per year (not covering costs of living).
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes. 40k+ per year.
    Oof. The norm was 20-25 in my time.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oof. The norm was 20-25 in my time.
    The interest rate has doubled/trippled too. I've heard in the past the interest rates were close to 3%, now they are 6-7%+. They went down a little, last year they were 6.8 for the capped Stafford and 7.9 for the Grad PLUS loans (no subsidized interest deferment either like in the past as well).
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    How about this headline?
    Republicans refuse to even discuss this matter, as with your feelings about Sen. Reid ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    LOL where is the money going to come from? ol yea I know higher taxes.

    There is no way that the republican congress will take this up.

    I can already give you the Huffpo, MediaMatters and dailykos headlines.

    Republicans refuse to let kids go to college.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, my solution isn't concerned with everyone getting access,
    That's specifically what I'm concerned with. I think the country's best path forward to assured dominance in the world is taking advantage of the potential intellectual wealth in our large population through the promotion of the best and smartest among us. Abandoning the poor to non-education just because they're poor is an extraordinary waste of intellectual resources and harms us all in the long run. Education is a massive investment -- just ask the Indian and Chinese governments that have been sending their citizens here to learn engineering and computer technology in our best technical universities for decades. No fools, they. And how are they doing now? Oh yeah, they're taking all our blue and white collar base.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The interest rate has doubled/trippled too. I've heard in the past the interest rates were close to 3%, now they are 6-7%+. They went down a little, last year they were 6.8 for the capped Stafford and 7.9 for the Grad PLUS loans (no subsidized interest deferment either like in the past as well).
    I was able to pay off my student loans a couple years ago. In the current environment there's simply no way I could have pulled that off (at least not before forty).

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How about this headline?
    Republicans refuse to even discuss this matter, as with your feelings about Sen. Reid ?
    they don't have to take up a bill if they don't want to.

    regardless of what the president thinks. he has no power over what bills congress will take up or won't.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't see this as a wedge issue.

    And I think that giving away two years of college is insane. Somebody will have to pay for those two years.
    It is half the cost of the Bush tax cuts when those happened. Trailer park conservatives will see a light for their child; teachers will see a chance to pick up adjunct work. If this doesn't pass, you will see in November 2016 what you don't see today

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Thank you for agreeing that the GOP House is what GOPs charged Sen. Reid was all about .

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they don't have to take up a bill if they don't want to.

    regardless of what the president thinks. he has no power over what bills congress will take up or won't.
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