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Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

ludin said:
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can only fit so many people into a classroom that ever heard of fire safety codes?
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Ever heard of 200 in a college lecture room instead of 150 ?
 
It's a symbolic ploy to make young people like the President and (if so willing) his Party. I wouldn't take it seriously. The President has too much on his plate to deal with already and a political opposition who can shut down the proposal without much effort.

There was a reason why he made the announcement on Vine and Facebook.

Pure demographic flattery.
 
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Henrin said:
I've just come to notice that people like Obama seem to have two basic ideas. Either they find something unacceptable and force people to act to resolve it or they find something unable and they create it into a freebie. What amazes me is that people think liberals/socialists/democrats are the smartest and most caring people around when in reality they have the ethics and the brain power of a chimp.
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Sometimes they invent issues, or prolong the debate to the point of absurdity. The NDP here, which had the same basic platform, sans Obamacare, is still on about "oppressed women" demands that all new candidates be women [men not allowed] while frothing at the mouth over powerful women like our own premier, a single mother who sent them into obscurity in the last election.

The mantra "women oppressed" keeps the ignorant on guard against the tyranny of free enterprise, but the only "oppressed women" they seem to care about are their own.
 
ludin said:
if anything it increases it.

higher demand equals more cost.

it means more classes more teachers more everything. you will see college prices go through the roof to meet the demand of students wanting to take classes.
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Liberals are usually bull**** when it comes to economics and rely on stupid nonsensical gibberish like the MMT school to sound anywhere near knowledgeable, but this whole giving away a service for free fetish they have is the worst of it. Why would I lower my prices when you are giving me free business? What is my motivation? Why would I not raise my prices? If the government is my consumer why would I bother to price my services at a rate the average American can afford? Because I'm a nice guy? I don't know about you, but when my consumer base has very deep pockets and is willing to pay the price regardless my prices are going up.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans... :roll:

Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

Because I'm not liking this idea:
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I can see Obama's back to giving away free **** with everyone else footing the bill.
Thinking back, we've seen this crap from him before.
Problem is that it never turns out as well as what he's selling and saying.
Guess there's always trouble when theory hit reality and gets mugged.
What's really troubling is the stupid people that keep falling for it, and aren't learning from experience.
 
Cardinal said:
Or regulate the educational industry and lower interest rates and/or free education.
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Free eduction usually just involves some government monopoly or giveaway that increases access and fails to lower cost. I don't know what you have in mind for regulations but it would appear to me the only way to control costs through regulations is to essentially control their business decisions. Those kind of regulation are more or less a government takeover.
 
NIMBY said:
Ever heard of 200 in a college lecture room instead of 150 ?
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only if there is room enough for it. and if the place is rated to hold that many people.
you have to comply with occupancy ratings.

if you can't come up with a real argument then please stop responding.

the fact is not all classrooms hold 200 people. there are classrooms that hold 30 or 40 people tops.
it means those classes need more teachers. that doesn't include classes that require lab work.

not all class rooms are 200 student lecture halls.

please tell me who is going to pay for it and how?
 
Fletch said:
Nothing devalues a college degree more than everybody having one.
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not even that very few companies will take a 2 year degree. heck they are getting tired of taking 4 years. they want masters and PHD's
 
ludin said:
only if there is room enough for it. and if the place is rated to hold that many people.
you have to comply with occupancy ratings.

if you can't come up with a real argument then please stop responding.

the fact is not all classrooms hold 200 people. there are classrooms that hold 30 or 40 people tops.
it means those classes need more teachers. that doesn't include classes that require lab work.

not all class rooms are 200 student lecture halls.

please tell me who is going to pay for it and how?
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Does he realize we are talking about community college? Community colleges don't usually have classrooms that can hold 200 people.
 
ludin said:
not even that very few companies will take a 2 year degree. heck they are getting tired of taking 4 years. they want masters and PHD's
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It's a tough problem. I think most of it is nonsense created by employers to simply try to filter people through various means rather than utilizing their employee's skill sets. It's just another idiotic social norm to tell the employer that you're above the cut and deserving of a job. It's yet another extension of paying deference to the idiosyncrasies of the owning and hiring class. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it makes it more expensive to just "get the edge" on the "other guy."
 
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ludin said:
only if there is room enough for it. and if the place is rated to hold that many people.
you have to comply with occupancy ratings.

if you can't come up with a real argument then please stop responding.

the fact is not all classrooms hold 200 people. there are classrooms that hold 30 or 40 people tops.
it means those classes need more teachers. that doesn't include classes that require lab work.

not all class rooms are 200 student lecture halls.

please tell me who is going to pay for it and how?
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Your only purpose here is to post against a new idea by Obama--we all get that.
My purpose in life is to continue to support our local HS in retirement and help parents with developing a plan to afford college.
Not to mention my own family and friends .
 
Henrin said:
Does he realize we are talking about community college? Community colleges don't usually have classrooms that can hold 200 people.
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Can you verify that with your extensive knowledge on community colleges?
Again, your purpose here is to knock down an Obama idea--when your GOP is devoid of ideas .
 
digsbe said:
I think when it comes to student loans and education the Republicans are usually wrong. It seems many of them think those with debt were "irresponsible borrowers" and many haven't been in graduate education for years, back when they all went to law school tuition wasn't as outrageous. Some are proponents of "work your way through school" which simply isn't possible for graduate programs and increasingly difficult for undergrad ones as well. They don't realize that in today's day and age it's not uncommon for graduate programs to charge 40k+ for tuition on top of living expenses for which loans are basically the only option to pay for that.
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I agree with the exception that I don't think we should be helping out with law school as there are already way too many lawyers anyway.:)
 
Henrin said:
Does he realize we are talking about community college? Community colleges don't usually have classrooms that can hold 200 people.
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yea I don't think he gets it either.

I went to a community college my first time. the largest room was the science auditorium. I think it might have held 200 people.
that was it most held 20-40 maybe 50 people at max.
 
I can actually get behind Obama on this. I've always felt and believed that education should be free and all knowledge be given out freely. I know there's a lot of naysayers on this. Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
 
NIMBY said:
Your only purpose here is to post against a new idea by Obama--we all get that.
My purpose in life is to continue to support our local HS in retirement and help parents with developing a plan to afford college.
Not to mention my own family and friends .
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yes pointing out a pandering ridiculous idea is well part of America. if you don't like it you are free to move to a country where they do not
allow for this. hear Cuba, Russia, NK all hold similar ideas.

again you failed to answer the question. Who is going to pay for it and how.

if you would like to do that they have education funds that you can put your own money into and have anyone on there.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I can actually get behind Obama on this. I've always felt and believed that education should be free and all knowledge be given out freely. I know there's a lot of naysayers on this. Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
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who is going to pay for it and how?
also what about those that have to pay (you know there will be an income restriction).
 
ludin said:
who is going to pay for it and how?
also what about those that have to pay (you know there will be an income restriction).
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Yeah yeah, money money money, blah blah blah. There are some things in this world that shouldn't be about money in the slightest. Education is one of them.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yeah yeah, money money money, blah blah blah. There are some things in this world that shouldn't be about money in the slightest. Education is one of them.
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The only way education wouldn't be about money is if you taught yourself.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I can actually get behind Obama on this. I've always felt and believed that education should be free and all knowledge be given out freely. I know there's a lot of naysayers on this. Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
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So teachers don't deserve to be paid?

How would you go about making all knowledge available for free anyway?
 
Declan said:
It is half the cost of the Bush tax cuts when those happened. Trailer park conservatives will see a light for their child; teachers will see a chance to pick up adjunct work. If this doesn't pass, you will see in November 2016 what you don't see today
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Trailer park conservatives don't really want to see a light for their child. They think that working a $10/hr job for the rest of their lives is "success".
 
Kal'Stang said:
I can actually get behind Obama on this. I've always felt and believed that education should be free and all knowledge be given out freely. I know there's a lot of naysayers on this. Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
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Why force the taxpayers to pay for someone's college education. If someone wants free education, there is Coursera, Khan Academy, and a host of other resources where a free education can be obtained.
 
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